Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Dan O'meara]

    There is absolutely No Evidence connecting Calvery to Officer Smith. Everything provided thus far is Speculation. This is why you are calling them "Theories". A Freudian slip on your part.

OF COURSE IT'S SPECULATION!
OF COURSE IT'S A THEORY!
Man, you really are painful to deal with.

The theory that Gloria is the hysterical lady that Smith interacts with is based on the identification of Gloria on the steps in Darnell and Smith running along the Elm Street Extension in Darnell and the fact that their paths would have crossed in the seconds just before the Darnell footage is taken.
It is based on various descriptions of Gloria being so upset that she was in hysterics.
It is based on the fact that there is a hysterical woman in the area near the front steps of the TSBD who knows JFK has been shot at, seconds after the shooting. This is in accord with Gloria racing from her position on Elm Street up towards the front steps.

You really are something else 

[Tom Graves]

OF COURSE IT'S SPECULATION!
OF COURSE IT'S A THEORY!

Man, you really are painful to deal with.

The theory that Gloria is the hysterical lady that Smith interacts with is based on the identification of Gloria on the steps in Darnell and Smith running along the Elm Street Extension in Darnell and the fact that their paths would have crossed in the seconds just before the Darnell footage is taken.

It is based on various descriptions of Gloria being so upset that she was in hysterics.

It is based on the fact that there is a hysterical woman in the area near the front steps of the TSBD who knows JFK has been shot at, seconds after the shooting. This is in accord with Gloria's racing from her position on Elm Street up towards the front steps.

You really are something else 

Well put.

[Royell Storing]

I would be more accurate to say that Shelley (who had been "best man" at Calvery's wedding) and maybe his sidekick, Lovelady, saw (and heard!!!) Calvery as she was bawling like a dying calf in a thunderstorm and running up Elm Street towards the TSBD, and he/they decided to intercept her at or near the "island" to find out what the heck had traumatized her so badly.

Do you have a problem with that?

Who said that her audience on the steps consisted solely of Buell Wesley Frazier, anyway?

Okay.

You mean like your grandiose HUGE GATES CT?

It's called progress, Comrade Storing.

    There are a multitude of problems with tying Calvery to Officer Smith. For starters, I have Never heard Anyone say that Calvery mentioned shot(s) being fired from the bushes at any point in time after the assassination. Ever. And then, after frantically telling Shelley and Lovelady about the horror she had just witnessed, why would she then permit them to innocently walk right into these bushes "shots fired" area? None of this Calvery telling Officer Smith about shots being fired from the bushes fits then or in the future.   

[Tom Graves]

There are a multitude of problems with tying Calvery to Officer Smith. For starters, I have Never heard Anyone say that Calvery mentioned shot(s) being fired from the bushes at any point in time after the assassination. Ever. And then, after frantically telling Shelley and Lovelady about the horror she had just witnessed, why would she then permit them to innocently walk right into these bushes "shots fired" area? None of this Calvery telling Officer Smith about shots being fired from the bushes fits then or in the future.

Dear Comrade Storing,

We don't know if those are the actual words that Calvery (or some other "hysterical" woman) spoke to Smith.

Regardless, even if they are, your insinuating that some other hysterical woman must have said that to him because "Calvery wouldn't have let him run right into mortal danger like that" doesn't hold water because she probably knew that Smith had a gun, she probably knew that it was his job to arrest violent criminals, and because when Smith left her (or she left him) near the "island," he was already probably running in the direction of the railway yard / parking lot at the end of the Elm Street Extension, i.e., far away from "the bushes" Calvery would have been referring to.

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

Dear Comrade Storing,

We don't know if those are the actual words that Calvery (or some other "hysterical" woman) spoke to Smith.

Regardless, even if they are, your insinuating that some other hysterical woman must have said that to him because "Calvery wouldn't have let him run right into mortal danger like that" doesn't hold water because she probably knew that Smith had a gun, she probably knew that it was his job to arrest violent criminals, and because when Smith left her (or she left him) near the "island," he was already probably running in the direction of the railway yard / parking lot at the end of the Elm Street Extension, i.e., far away from "the bushes" Calvery would have been referring to.

-- Tom

   You're confused. I am talking about Calvery telling and then permitting Lovelady and Shelley to just walk into that shots fired area. You and Dan are playing tug-of-war with Calvery. And in doing so, dismantling each other's Calvery "story".

[Dan O'meara]

Another piece of evidence undermining the identification of Shelley and Lovelady on Elm Street.
In the very first seconds of the footage below, the camera pans to the right and we see a police officer quickly making his way along the Elm St Ext to the area where the bushes are near the pergola. This is surely Joe Marshall Smith.

If we could 'reverse engineer' the footage, Smith would be interacting with the hysterical woman approximately 5 - 10 seconds before the point we actually see him in Darnell. It fits perfectly with the identification of Gloria on the steps. However, it would be further evidence that Gloria and Hicks have literally just arrived at the steps and have just started to interact with Lovelady and the others.

Once again, we have evidence supporting the view that there is simply not enough time for Lovelady and Shelley to be already walking down the Elm St ext. Smith interacts with Gloria and immediately makes his way along the Elm St ext., as we see in Darnell. In order for your identification to be correct Smith would have to wait in position while Gloria told Lovelady about the shooting and wait for Lovelady and Shelley to cross over to the "little, old island" before he decided to take off.

[Tom Graves]

You're confused. I am talking about Calvery telling and then permitting Lovelady and Shelley to just walk into that shots fired area. You and Dan are playing tug-of-war with Calvery. And in doing so, dismantling each other's Calvery "story".

Dear Comrade Storing,

Okay, so I confused Shelley and Lovelady with Smith.

My bad.

Nice catch!

Regardless, how could Calvery have prevented "best man" Shelley and his sidekick, Lovelady, from walking/running into "the maws of death" even if she'd wanted to?

Physically detain them?

(Hmm, I see your point. She was a very large gal.)

Conspiracy theorist O'meara and I disagree on where Shelley and Lovelady were right after big/tall Calvery arrived at the steps about 25 seconds after the final shot -- I say they are running/walking down Elm Street Extension toward the "railroad tracks" in Couch-Darnell, and O'meara says they are in front of the steps and on them, respectively.

I honestly don't know -- due to the overall complexity of the situation and to general uncertainty as to when, exactly, Truly and Baker started going up the stairs and when Adams and Styles started coming down them -- whether my Calvery-on-the-steps-and-Shelley-and-Lovelady-bookin'-it-towards-the-railroad-tracks-in-Couch/Darnell observations tend to support or refute the established idea that Oswald was on the sixth floor during the shooting.

On the other hand, I fear that the reason O'meara insists that Lovelady can be seen on the steps while Shelly is pivoting out of the way of hard-charging Baker is because he believes it supports his cockamamie CT (which is almost as cockamamie as yours).

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

Dear Comrade Storing,

Okay, so I confused Shelley and Lovelady with Smith.

My bad.

Nice catch!

Regardless, how could Calvery have prevented "best man" Shelley and his sidekick, Lovelady, from walking/running into "the maws of death" even if she'd wanted to?

Physically detain them?

(Hmm, I see your point. She was a very large gal.)

Conspiracy theorist O'meara and I disagree on where Shelley and Lovelady were right after big/tall Calvery arrived at the steps about 25 seconds after the final shot -- I say they are running/walking down Elm Street Extension toward the "railroad tracks" in Couch-Darnell, and O'meara says they are in front of the steps and on them, respectively.

I honestly don't know -- due to the overall complexity of the situation and to general uncertainty as to when, exactly, Truly and Baker started going up the stairs and when Adams and Styles started coming down them -- whether my Calvery-on-the-steps-and-Shelley-and-Lovelady-bookin'-it-towards-the-railroad-tracks-in-Couch/Darnell observations tend to support or refute the established idea that Oswald was on the sixth floor during the shooting.

On the other hand, I fear that the reason O'meara insists that Lovelady can be seen on the steps while Shelly is pivoting out of the way of hard-charging Baker is because he believes it supports his cockamamie CT (which is almost as cockamamie as yours).

-- Tom

    I do Not have a "theory". I do Not "speculate". This is exactly what you guys are doing.  What I do is present the WC Testimonies of Lovelady & Shelley. The WC lawyer leaned on them regarding their 3 minute claim of waiting in front of the TSBD. They didn't blink. This alleged Calvery interaction with Officer Smith also has absolutely Zero Evidence to support it. Zippo! These expanding and unfounded Calvery claims are now approaching "Slender Man" territory.