Shelley intercepted Calvery at the "island" about 10 seconds after final shot

[Tom Graves]

Yes, both Lovelady and Shelley claim they crossed the Elm St Ext and went to that "little old island". What you have omitted is they claimed they did this 3-4 minutes AFTER the Kill Shot. If you are going to use eyewitness testimony to support a position you are taking, please present it within the entire context of which it was given.

Royell Storing,

Lovelady and Shelley said "three minutes" because they either had really poor memories or they were part-and-parcel of The Deep State Conspiracy (which obviously involved oodles and gobs of evil, evil bad guys who planned "the hit," "patsied" Oswald, shot JFK, planted false evidence, got away, altered oodles and gobs of photos, films, x-rays, and documents, and have succeeded in covering up The Conspiracy for sixty-two years now.

But don't you worry -- Laura Loony, Jim "I Never Met A Communist I Didn't Cherish" DiEugenio, Jefferson "Yuri Nosenko Was A True Defector!!!" Morley, and Oliver "I Hate The Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex" Stone are going to get to the bottom of it!

Regardless, I edited my previous post.

Here it is:

Royell Storing,

You wrote: "Based on the title of this thread, you are claiming all of this is happening only ten seconds after the kill shot."

Please try to get something straight for a change, Royell.

The only thing I'm saying that happened within about ten seconds of the "kill shot" was "best man" Shelley's intercepting his crying friend, Gloria Calvery (who had been standing only about 80 feet down Elm Street from the "island"), at or near said "island" as she was running towards the steps -- where, interestingly, Frazier saw and heard a girl (Calvery!) come up to them (the steps) a few seconds later and bellow out that the President had been shot. This sequence was confirmed by Frazier when he said Shelley and Lovelady started going in the direction of the triple underpass before the girl (Calvery!) arrived at the steps and started bellowing. (Hint: The "island" lies between the steps and the triple underpass.)

And iirc, Shelley, himself, said that he and Lovelady went to a "little, old island" after the "kill shot," but got confused as to whether they did that about ten seconds after the "kill shot," or 3 or 15 minutes after it.

A little bit later, during the 10-second-long front-of-the-TSBD Couch-Darnell clip, we can see Officer Baker running towards the steps; Roy Truly, pivoting and watching him run by; Gloria Calvery, as she and one of her colleagues are standing on (or going up) the steps; Buell Wesley Frazier, evidently listening to Calvery as she bellows out "THEY SHOT THE PRESIDENT"; and Shelley and Lovelady, as they're . . . gasp . . . approaching your HUGE GATES while walking/running down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot about 25 seconds after the aforementioned "kill shot."

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

    I continue urging you to actually read the WC Testimonies of Lovelady & Shelley. Shelley and Lovelady were Not walking down the Elm Ext on the TSBD side of the street. It's FACTS such as this that continue to disprove your False ID's.
    If Calvery is walking down Elm St toward the TSBD only 10 seconds after the Kill Shot, she should be somewhere on the Wiegman Film as he jumps out of Camera Car #1 as it makes the turn onto Elm St. Calvery would be facing Wiegman as he moves down Elm St.  And her size and the direction she is headed would stand out. Just as we see from that Professional Woman that was standing next to Mumford. Remember, we do see the JFK Limo as it is going under the Triple Underpass on the Wiegman Film.  Tick, Tock! 

[Tom Graves]

Shelley and Lovelady were not walking down the Elm Street Extension on the TSBD side of the street.

Well, either Shelley and Lovelady or their Deep State "doubles."

If Calvery is walking (sic) down (sic) Elm Street toward the TSBD only ten seconds after the kill shot, she should be somewhere on the Wiegman film as he jumps out of camera car #1 as it makes the turn onto Elm Street.

Weigman jumps out of the car about seven seconds after the final shot and either points his camera at the ground or twirls it all around during the period of time that Calvery was running past him.

Remember, we do see the JFK limo as it is going under the triple underpass on the Wiegman film.

Nice catch!

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By the way, I just watched the Tyler synchronized animation, again.

https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawK4zONleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFFODdsRHVIa2RSUGZJNllFAR6Zx-0JB5zBmwy-qakJKtfLfY5vcW9V2IqOrNXjP-oezkHhb-av38NlRUa-uA_aem_2d95NRPz2dpt6k_03l7iYg

In it, plus or minus a second, the following things happen:

Calvery starts running towards the TSBD three seconds after the final shot, she reaches the "island" twelve seconds after the final shot, she finishes talking with Lovelady in the middle of the street twenty-two seconds after the final shot (Shelley is nowhere to be found), and she arrives at the steps twenty-five seconds after the final shot.

Baker arrives at the curb on his motorcycle fourteen seconds after the final shot, he starts running towards the steps 23 seconds after the final shot, he arrives at the steps thirty-one seconds after the final shot, and he reaches the front door thirty-three seconds after the final shot.

Lovelady kinda hangs out in the middle of the street, drifting slowly all by himself in the direction of the railway yard / parking lot for two minutes and thirty-eight seconds after the final shot, at which time the animation ends at a total elapsed time of five minutes.

Bottom line: I was wrong, wrong, wrong.

Calvery didn't reach the "island" in ten seconds after the final shot, she reached it in twelve seconds after the final shot.

*Caveat: I think Tyler has Calvery about twenty feet too close to the TSBD during the motorcade, so let's say she reached the "island" about fifteen seconds after the final shot, okay?

[Royell Storing]

   You do realize you are not watching actual assassination film footage? You are watching a visual aid cartoon.
   We still have no idea how it is that we are seeing Lovelady blowing smoke on the steps of the TSBD. Their testimony is that they were inside the TSBD for 30 minutes. The Martin Film was part of the DCA film package. Maybe the Martin Film was mixed with other assassination footage then? Whether accidental or intentional, Groden did do this with the Couch Film and the Darnell Film.   

[Tom Graves]

You do realize you are not watching actual assassination film footage? You are watching a visual aid cartoon.

I hope you're referring to the animation by Tyler and not to the clips by Couch and Darnell, themselves. If so, gee, I didn't realize that. If not, then there's even less hope for you than I thought.

We still have no idea how it is that we are seeing Lovelady blowing smoke on the steps of the TSBD. Their testimony is that they were inside the TSBD for 30 minutes.

Agreed, but it doesn't necessarily mean that something sinister was going on at the time.

Edit: Grok says there were no DPD radio transmissions on the subject, but witnesses like Roy Truly and Jack Dougherty testified that the police started letting TSBD employees back into the building around 1 o'clock.

The John T. Martin / Jack T. Martin clip shows the police letting Bonnie Ray Williams back into the building while "Neanterthal" Lovelady is standing on the steps, wearing his distinctive "checkered" / "plaid" shirt, watching "the action" and jutting his jaw out as he exhales some cigarette smoke.

Scroll down about halfway to watch a good, properly exposed copy of the aforementioned John T. Martin / Jack T. Martin clip.

http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/billy-nolan-lovelady/

I figure Lovelady, desperately needing a shot of nicotine after being cooped up inside since around 12:35, stepped out onto the front steps to have a quick "fix."

That works for you, doesn't it?

The Martin Film was part of the DCA film package. Maybe the Martin Film was mixed with other assassination footage then?

Point being?

Whether accidental or intentional, Groden did do this with the Couch Film and the Darnell Film.

Did do what?

[Royell Storing]

I hope you're referring to the animation by Tyler and not to the clips by Couch and Darnell, themselves. If so, gee, I didn't realize that. If not, then there's even less hope for you than I thought.

Agreed, but it doesn't necessarily mean that something sinister was going on at the time.

Edit: Grok says there were no DPD radio transmissions on the subject, but witnesses like Roy Truly and Jack Dougherty testified that the police started letting TSBD employees back into the building around 1 o'clock.

The John T. Martin / Jack T. Martin clip shows the police letting Bonnie Ray Williams back into the building while "Neanterthal" Lovelady is standing on the steps, wearing his distinctive "checkered" / "plaid" shirt, watching "the action" and jutting his jaw out as he exhales some cigarette smoke.

Scroll down about halfway to watch a good, properly exposed copy of the aforementioned John T. Martin / Jack T. Martin clip.

http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/billy-nolan-lovelady/

I figure Lovelady, desperately needing a shot of nicotine after being cooped up inside since around 12:35, stepped out onto the front steps to have a quick "fix."

That works for you, doesn't it?

Point being?

Did do what?

     So we are just to "move along" when the Lovelady timeline with respect to his being out on the steps smoking is unexplainable? Again, the Lovelady timeline impacts the Adams & Styles timeline. And the word smiths are hoodwinking you. "LETTING TSBD employees back into the building around 1 o'clock"? How about employees that simply walked into the TSBD BEFORE 1'oclock?   Officer Luke Mooney's WC Testimony detailed his entering the TSBD 1st Floor via the Huge Gates/TSBD side door. He was then immediately approached by 2 ladies needing to go up to the 2nd floor. Mooney was inside that building only minutes after the Kill Shot. Same goes for those 2 ladies already being inside the TSBD. That 1 o'clock stuff is misdirection/hog wash. This is why I urge you to read testimony. Those that do Not know eyewitness testimony are easily led astray. Those that are also unfamiliar with the layout of Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63, are lambs being led to the slaughter. I believe you mean well, but remember that knowledge is power. Do the deep dive research. Read the eyewitness testimony and examine every single 11/22/63 image of Dealey Plaza you can find. This includes the railroad yard. And do you think these guys such as Lovelady were Not smoking inside the TSBD? Stop kidding yourself. How many cops did you see inside the TSBD with a cigarette hanging outta their mouths? This was 1963 and even smoking inside stuffy movie theaters was common conduct. 

[Tom Graves]

So we are just to "move along" when the Lovelady timeline with respect to his being out on the steps smoking is unexplainable? Again, the Lovelady timeline impacts the Adams & Styles timeline. And the word smiths are hoodwinking you. "LETTING TSBD employees back into the building around 1 o'clock"? How about employees that simply walked into the TSBD BEFORE 1'oclock?   Officer Luke Mooney's WC Testimony detailed his entering the TSBD 1st Floor via the Huge Gates/TSBD side door. He was then immediately approached by 2 ladies needing to go up to the 2nd floor. Mooney was inside that building only minutes after the Kill Shot. Same goes for those 2 ladies already being inside the TSBD. That 1 o'clock stuff is misdirection/hog wash. This is why I urge you to read testimony. Those that do Not know eyewitness testimony are easily led astray. Those that are also unfamiliar with the layout of Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63, are lambs being led to the slaughter. I believe you mean well, but remember that knowledge is power. Do the deep dive research. Read the eyewitness testimony and examine every single 11/22/63 image of Dealey Plaza you can find. This includes the railroad yard.

Dear Comrade Storing,

I thought you were wondering why Lovelady, wearing his distinctive "checkered" / "plaid" shirt, was standing on the TSBD steps around one o'clock as the police were letting TSBD employees back into the building.

My bad.

Regarding Adams and Styles, Brian Doyle posted on his website some time ago that he had a two-hour conversation with Barry Ernest during which Ernest told him that he'd interviewed Styles and that Styles was adamant that she did not see Lovelady or Shelley by the first-floor stairs when she and Adams got there.

Doyle also wrote, "Ernest said he interviewed Baker, and Baker told him the only person on the first floor when they got back to the elevators was a black person whom Truly stopped him from questioning ... Adams and Styles said the same thing."

If that's the case, it must have been because it took Adams and Styles a lot longer to get to the first floor than they remembered, and Baker and Truly (whom we can surmise from the Couch-Darnell clip entered the TSBD about 30 seconds after the final shot) must have been having their little out-of-view-in-the-second-floor-lunchroom-"vestibule" confrontation with Oswald when Adams and Styles finally hit the second floor . . . and were on it for maybe three seconds.

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

  You do know that the WC did 3 trial runs with Officer Baker riding his motorcycle from Main to Houston and then entering the TSBD BEFORE he testified? This is how important it was to put Baker quickly inside the TSBD in order for him to eventually see Oswald through that vestibule door. And Baker had to know this too. He's no dummy. I believe the recently released first half of the Original Darnell Film throws numerous previously accepted timelines into question. That Original Darnell Film opens with the Camera Cars atta Dead Stop as they were turning onto Elm, and 1 driver is standing outside the car. This tells us the Officer Baker/Truly being inside the TSBD in 30 second stuff is  . This lengthy slowing/then stopping of the camera cars also impacts the accepted timelines of the Darnell and Couch Films, which also impacts the timeline of Officer Smith being filmed running down the Elm St Ext. And why are we seeing all of these timeline/dominoes fall? Just my opinion, but I believe it is because Wiegman filmed the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass. It took the JFK Limo more time after the Kill Shot to travel down to the Triple Underpass than has been foisted on us. Which brings us to the Limo Stop or prolonged rolling stop/crawl.