This is to help Royell Storing locate Gloria Calvery during the motorcade

[Tom Graves]

Storing,

Big/tall, dark-blue blouse and dark-blue headscarf-wearing Gloria Calvery was standing immediately to the left of John Templin in the Zapruder film.

Templin is #324 in this diagram.

Calvery is #172, mislabled as "Jean McKenna," or some-such thing.

The scale for the diagram is at the bottom of same.

https://craigciccone.blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/img_3534.jpg

[Royell Storing]

Storing,

Big/tall, dark-blue blouse and dark-blue headscarf-wearing Gloria Calvery was standing immediately to the left of John Templin in the Zapruder film.

Templin is #324 in this diagram.

Calvery is #172, mislabled as "Jean McKenna," or some-such thing.

The scale for the diagram is at the bottom of same.

https://craigciccone.blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/img_3534.jpg

   Thanks for trying to help me, but how can I rely on this map when it has Umbrella Man well out of position?

[Tom Graves]

Thanks for trying to help me, but how can I rely on this map when it has Umbrella Man well out of position?

The guy who made this diagram did make a lot of mistakes, but he did place John Templin and Ernest Brandt correctly on Elm Street. They are #324 and #325, respectively.

Can you find Templin and Brandt in the Zapruder film?

(Even Robin Unger has them labeled correctly in a well-known Z frame he posted on the Internet eons ago.)

Good!

That's big/tall Gloria Calvery standing immediately to the left of Templin. In the diagram she's #172, mislabeled as "Jean McKenna" or some-such thing.

Use the scale at the bottom of the diagram to figure out how far Calvery was standing from the steps during the motorcade.

[Royell Storing]

The guy who made this diagram did make a lot of mistakes, but he did place John Templin and Ernest Brandt correctly on Elm Street. They are #324 and #325, respectively.

Can you find Templin and Brandt in the Zapruder film?

(Even Robin Unger has them labeled correctly in a well-known Z frame he posted on the Internet eons ago.)

Good!

That's big/tall Gloria Calvery standing immediately to the left of Templin. In the diagram she's #172, mislabeled as "Jean McKenna" or some-such thing.

Use the scale at the bottom of the diagram to figure out how far Calvery was standing from the steps during the motorcade.

  As I said on another thread, Calvery is standing roughly 1/2 a football field away from the TSBD. 25 seconds after the kill shot she's already at the base of the TSBD? You gotta timeline problem. Based on that alone, I do Not believe we are seeing the BACK of Calvery.

[Tom Graves]

As I said on another thread, Calvery is standing roughly 1/2 a football field away from the TSBD. 25 seconds after the kill shot she's already at the base of the TSBD? You gotta timeline problem. Based on that alone, I do Not believe we are seeing the BACK of Calvery.

Comrade Storing,

As I said, go to the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum website and find the articles that Sandy Larsen and I wrote about Calvery's location during the motorcade and where she was about 25 seconds after the assassination.

Just take it from Sandy and me -- that's big/tall Calvery standing next to her slender, dressed-in-all-white work colleague on the TSBD steps in Couch-Darnell about 25 seconds after the final shot.

Calvery (and her dressed-in-all-white colleague) can even be seen in Betzner-3 standing on the other side of the Secret Service follow-up car just before JFK was shot. Interestingly, JFKA CT/Contrarian John Iacoletti, denying that this woman was Calvery, labeled her "Glasses Woman" until he realized that Calvery always wore big, ugly, black-framed glasses, at which point he started referring to the woman in Betzner-3 (Calvary) by some other moniker.

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Betzner%20Gallery

Regardless, I believe we can see Lovelady and Shelley walking/running in the direction of the railway yard / parking lot in the Couch-Darnell clip. If I'm right, and if Lovelady and Shelley were telling the truth when they said they left the steps as soon as Calvery told them that JFK had been shot, then it's logical to assume that Calvery covered your 150 feet / 50 yards in about ten seconds (heck, I used to run it in about six) and told Lovelady and Shelley that JFK had been shot, thereby giving them about ten seconds to get almost to your HUGE GATES!!!

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

 Yes I did read that. Within that link, you put the distance between Calvery and the TSBD as 150 feet = 1/2 a football field. A woman covering that 150 feet in 25 Seconds immediately following the Kill Shot is a non starter. You want to go into how you ID'd the BACK of that person at the base of the TSBD, but you are unable to place Calvery in that same position to begin with. You basically are putting the cart before the horse. A possible explanation is that the current timeline assigned to that Darnell Film Snippet is incorrect. A big part of that Darnell Snippet timeline is due to Officer Baker being in the snippet. The WC had to put Baker inside the TSBD within 30 seconds after the Kill Shot. This way, the timing would fit for Baker to see Oswald trying to avoid him by ducking into the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. Maybe that Darnell snippet timeline was fabricated? All it would take would be maybe close to 30 seconds max?

[Tom Graves]

A woman covering that 150 feet in 25 Seconds immediately following the kill shot is a non-starter.

How so?

Calvery may even have met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island" about 15 seconds after the final shot and continued on her way to the steps when they started walking down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot.

You want to go into how you ID'd the back of that person at the base of the TSBD, but you are unable to place Calvery in that same position to begin with. You basically are putting the cart before the horse.

There are many reasons for believing Calvery was the big/tall gal in Zapruder and Betzner-3 (you do agree that the gal standing to the immediate left of John Templin in the Zapruder film is big and tall, don't you?).

Do you agree that the face of the woman I'm referring to in Betzner-3 resembles the face of Gloria Calvery (you can google her name if you have to)?

If you'll go to the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum, you'll see that not only is the big/tall gal wearing a dark-colored blouse and a dark-colored headscarf and standing next to her dressed in all-white colleague, but that a strip of the big/tall gal's neutral-colored skirt is visible in Couch-Darnell, too.

I could go on and on, but that's enough for now.

Get back to me after you've done some "research" on the issue at the Ed Forum, or maybe even here.

-- Tom