Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?

[Royell Storing]

RS:  I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.

So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?

there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.

Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.

Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:


Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:


Here he is a half step later:

   12:34 PM - The above showing Motorcycle Officer Haygood is IMPOSSIBLE. Haygood and Officer Harkness could not be filmed together at 12:34. Without question impossible. This alleged motorcycle officer is an impostor. (1) Who is he? (2) Where is his motorcycle? (3) What is he holding? (4) Where is he headed?

[Jack Nessan]

   12:34 PM - The above showing Motorcycle Officer Haygood is IMPOSSIBLE. Haygood and Officer Harkness could not be filmed together at 12:34. Without question impossible. This alleged motorcycle officer is an impostor. (1) Who is he? (2) Where is his motorcycle? (3) What is he holding? (4) Where is he headed?

According to Detective Buddy Walters, there were a number of officers in that particular area at that time. Why did you identify the two officers as Harkness and Haygood?

Mr. WALTHERS. And at that time I heard the shots as well as everybody else, but as we got over this fence, and a lot of officers and people were just rummaging through the train yards back in this parking area.
Mr. LIEBELER. In the parking area down there? West of the Texas School Book Depository Building between the Texas School Book Depository and the railroad tracks?
Mr. WALTHERS. Yes; and the discussion came up among several of the officers, "Were there any shots fired?" And I said, "Well, they sounded like rifle shots to me." At the time no one knew---in our crowd they were sure the shots had been fired though because of the reports---we heard the noise, and I left then and went back up here and came back onto the street.

 

[Royell Storing]

RS:  I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.

So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?

there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.

Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.

Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:


Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:


Here he is a half step later:

   The image above is a "cropped" Darnell Film still frame. Buddy Walthers is actually included in this still frame. He is pictured to the extreme (L) on this same still frame. The 2 DPD Police Officers in this photo have for 62+ years been ID'd as being DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood, (wearing the White Helmet), and Officer Harkness. Officer Haygood is the ONLY DPD MOTORCYCLE COP to have been back inside the railroad immediately after the kill shot.  At 12:35 PM, Haygood made a documented radio transmission from his motorcycle parked on the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass. That is why this still frame has always been time stamped 12:34 PM. Officer Haygood had to be back at his motorcycle by 12:35 to make that 12:35 radio transmission. The other DPD Cop on this still frame is Officer Harkness. Harkness made a documented 12:36 police radio transmission. On that transmission, Officer Harkness said he had an eyewitness that he was bringing to the TSBD. Harkness then put this eyewitness/Amos Euins on the back of this 3 Wheel Motorcycle and took Euins to the TSBD. When Harkness arrived at the TSBD with the eyewitness/Amos Euins, he was instructed to place Euins inside Inspector Sawyer's car. Inspector Sawyer arrived at the TSBD at 12:35. The loading of Euins into Sawyer's car would be happening at 12:37. Upon finishing with the loading of Euins into the car, Officer Harkness was instructed to go and secure the area behind the TSBD. This is where we see Officer Harkness on the above Darnell still frame. Officer Harkness is securing the rear of the TSBD. The CORRECT TIME STAMP for the still frame above would therefore be 12:38. The motorcycle officer in the white helmet that we see above in this Darnell still frame can NOT BE Officer Haygood. Officer Haygood was back at his motorcycle making a documented police transmission at 12:35. After making that 12:35 radio transmission, Haygood then stayed there alongside his motorcycle and interviewed JFK Assassination Eyewitnesses. With Officer Haygood being the only known DPD Motorcycle Cop inside the railroad yard immediately following the kill shot, reveals this motorcycle cop we see in the above Darnell still frame to be an impostor. This begs the following questions:  (1) Who is this impostor? (2) Where is his motorcycle? (3) Where did he come from? (4) Where is he going?   

[Royell Storing]

According to Detective Buddy Walters, there were a number of officers in that particular area at that time. Why did you identify the two officers as Harkness and Haygood?

Mr. WALTHERS. And at that time I heard the shots as well as everybody else, but as we got over this fence, and a lot of officers and people were just rummaging through the train yards back in this parking area.
Mr. LIEBELER. In the parking area down there? West of the Texas School Book Depository Building between the Texas School Book Depository and the railroad tracks?
Mr. WALTHERS. Yes; and the discussion came up among several of the officers, "Were there any shots fired?" And I said, "Well, they sounded like rifle shots to me." At the time no one knew---in our crowd they were sure the shots had been fired though because of the reports---we heard the noise, and I left then and went back up here and came back onto the street.

    There is a difference between a DPD "Officer" and a DPD Motorcycle Officer. A DPD motorcycle officer always wears a DPD UNIFORM and wears a White Helmet. DPD  Officer Buddy Walthers and DPD Officer Roger Craig were wearing dress suits that day. DPD Officer Luke Mooney was also wearing a dress suit. All 3 of these DPD Officers were wearing suits and were back inside the railroad yard immediately after the kill shot. There were other DPD Officers back inside the railroad yard that were wearing suits. This is what Buddy Walthers was referring to. DPD Officers that were wearing suits.   

[Mitch Todd]

    There is a difference between a DPD "Officer" and a DPD Motorcycle Officer. A DPD motorcycle officer always wears a DPD UNIFORM and wears a White Helmet. DPD  Officer Buddy Walthers and DPD Officer Roger Craig were wearing dress suits that day. DPD Officer Luke Mooney was also wearing a dress suit. All 3 of these DPD Officers were wearing suits and were back inside the railroad yard immediately after the kill shot. There were other DPD Officers back inside the railroad yard that were wearing suits. This is what Buddy Walthers was referring to. DPD Officers that were wearing suits.

Walthers and Craig were not Dallas Police Department officers. They were deputies of the Dallas Sheriffs Department, a completely different agency.

[Mitch Todd]

                            Nat Geo (8:55 - 8:57)       &      "The Full Darnell Film"  by - "The JFK Theorist"   (23:32 - 23:40)       

   Nat Geo - Shows the Elm St Extension to be empty of people. Amos Euins is sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car and Officer Harkness's 3 wheel motorcycle is double parked next to Inspector Sawyer's Car.  (Time Stamp)

 "The Full Darnell Film" - Shows the Elm St Extension now jammed with people.  Officer Harkness is filmed providing security behind the TSBD. (Time Stamp)

Yeah. About that:

The segment in the Nat Geo episode you refer to shows a DPD officer walking by in a blue hat carrying a shotgun. The blue hat marks the officer as a member of the DPD patrol division. The shotgun was issued to the guys manning patrol cruisers, and was carried in the cars. Security of the motorcade route was given to the white-hatted traffic division. The patrol division officers provided security in the Trade Mart, or were out on normal patrol.

What this boils down to is that the office you see in the Nat Geo snippet is one of the patrol officers sent to Dealey Plaza by the dispatcher, but they don't start arriving until 12:45 at the earliest.  That is the very earliest the Nat Geo segment could have possibly occurred, and it was likely taken even later. In the end, it doesn't further your notions at all.

   After 62+ years, I can understand you're having problems accepting that which has been right in front of you. But there it is, right there. The Elm St Ext is jammed with people.

Again, if you actually look at the Darnell film, you see that the crowd of people is south of where the ESX is already turned northeast. You can actually see a car parked on the north side of the ESX to the left of the crowd. That wouldn't happen if the street was as packed with people as you'd like to believe. 

Also again, when Martin is filming Harkness driving Euins down the street, he is standing directly south of the TSBD annex. You can tell by how close the red gates are. That puts Martin to the east of where the crown in Darnell is gathered. The following image shows the area where the Darnell crowd was gathered in red, with Martin's position marked with a red lower-case "m".

[Royell Storing]

   The Elm Ext is absolutely jammed with people. You can even see people stretching across it in front of the Huge Gates.
   And remember that the Nat Geo piece you are claiming was long after the kill shot, also shows Officer Harkness #99 3 wheel motorcycle sitting alongside Inspector Sawyer's car. The later you put the Harkness 3 Wheel Motorcycle sitting on the Elm St Ext, the LATER you put Harkness & Officer Haygood being filmed together on the Darnell Film Snippet. Far, Far later than the 12:35 Haygood police radio transmission. And, the alleged Officer Haygood was filmed with Roger Craig and Buddy Walthers walking along that entire stretch of train cars before they reach the Officer Harkness check point. How late are you NOW putting Roger Craig and Walthers back inside the train yard? And Walthers was photo'd at 12:39 on Elm St looking around the manhole cover on the (S) side of Elm St. How are you putting Walthers inside the train yard that late, and then having him photo'd at the manhole cover at 12:39? You got seriously conflicting timeline issues. Big time!