Ruth Paine Has Passed Away

[Tim Nickerson]

explain the parts of my statements that are moronic- I am prepared to be amused by your all knowing and superlative skills oh oracle of truth-

"the sixth floor shooter used a mauser rifle," -Bill Binnie

[Lance Payette]

I totally agree- You are in the lone nutter cult of myopic lunacy so why would you care that the very very dubious nature of the backyard photos show a man wearing clothes that Oswald did not possess rendering the pictures a very poorly constructed prop for any researcher with a cult free perspective- Yes there are 70 million people who tell us trump is a great president- This is a long way from making it so-

Whichever Sock Puppet you are, Binnie my lad - and on the same thread on which Puppet Master Martin reappears, no less! - one does not get the feeling that we are in for what I would call "substantive" contributions. Can't we at least be treated to a higher class of Sock Puppet, Martin? And there was another one yesterday - Sven or Swen or something like that. What is the game here? At least have the Sock Puppets do some creative things like argue vehemently with each other. Wouldn't that be more fun for everyone? When newbies appear and seem to be instantly consumed with rage at the "myopic lunacy" of the "lone nutter cult," it's rather obvious that there is a backstory. Perhaps I'll create my own little menagerie of Sock Puppets to show you how it could be done more creatively - but I'll call them Lance 2, Lance 3 and whatnot so it will be obvious this is just a training exercise for amateurs like Martin.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Whichever Sock Puppet you are, Binnie my lad - and on the same thread on which Puppet Master Martin reappears, no less! - one does not get the feeling that we are in for what I would call "substantive" contributions. Can't we at least be treated to a higher class of Sock Puppet, Martin? And there was another one yesterday - Sven or Swen or something like that. What is the game here? At least have the Sock Puppets do some creative things like argue vehemently with each other. Wouldn't that be more fun for everyone? When newbies appear and seem to be instantly consumed with rage at the "myopic lunacy" of the "lone nutter cult," it's rather obvious that there is a backstory. Perhaps I'll create my own little menagerie of Sock Puppets to show you how it could be done more creatively - but I'll call them Lance 2, Lance 3 and whatnot so it will be obvious this is just a training exercise for amateurs like Martin.

He tried "Pimply Bum" but Duncan caught him.

His argument here is that they didn't find the clothes Oswald was wearing when the photos were taken seven months earlier therefore the photos are faked. He doesn't believe all of the other evidence on the authenticity of the photos - Marina's testimony, the camera, the photographic analysis, the DeMohrenschildt's being a given a photo at the time - but he would apparently believe they were authentic if they simply found those darned clothes. Yes he would.

Gosh, he wouldn't say the clothes were planted or anything. No he wouldn't. Even though the other evidence is waived away.

[Gary Hemod]

Have any of the CTers added Ruth Paine to their list of "mysterious deaths"?  It took a long while, but the death squad apparently got to her before she could talk.   She was next on the list after Clint Hil

Don't forget Paul 'I found the bullet' Landis. They should put him in witness protection.

[Tom Graves]

Don't forget Paul 'I found the bullet' Landis. They should put him in witness protection.

Yes!

They can probably find him at "The Cellar" around 5 AM.

[Michael T. Griffith]

I take it no one's going to try to explain how Michael Paine could have told Ruth Paine that he was "sure" Oswald had killed JFK when he called Ruth from work at 1:00 PM on 11/22, when Oswald had not even been arrested yet. How in the world would Michael Paine have even suspected, much less been certain, that Oswald had shot JFK before Oswald was even arrested, especially since both he and Ruth later claimed they were shocked when they learned that Oswald had been charged with JFK's murder?

The FBI's own report on its investigation of the phone call informs us (1) that the records of the Southwestern States Telephone company show only one call between Michael's work and the Paine home between November 22-26, the 11/22 call, and (2) that Ruth herself admitted the call occurred at 1:00 PM, some 50 minutes before Oswald was even arrested.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=111186#relPageId=124&search=investigation_regarding alleged telephone call

During this phone call, Michael told Ruth that he was certain Oswald had killed Kennedy but that Oswald was not responsible for the assassination, adding "we both know who is responsible." Again, this was some 50 minutes before Oswald was even arrested.

Everywhere you look in the life of the Paines, you find intelligence connections.

Take, for example, Naushon Island, a hangout of Allen Dulles's mistress and spy Mary Bancroft. Ruth visited the island and then stopped to see her CIA-connected sister in Virginia shortly before driving back cross-country to pick up Marina in New Orleans. Wow, what a coincidence.

Ruth claimed that she found the Kostin letter when she was moving her desk. However, Chris Newton has proved with photographic evidence that the Ruth's couch and desk were in the same position on 11/9 and 11/10 as they were on 11/23. Ruth lied in order to establish a pretext for picking up the letter.

Michael Paine told Dan Rather in 1993 that he saw one of the infamous backyard rifle photos in April 1963! He claimed that Oswald proudly showed him one of the photos when he picked him up for dinner. Humm, why didn't he say anything about this to the FBI or the WC?

Long after the assassination, in the 1980s, Ruth showed up at Sue Wheaton’s council meetings of the anti-Contra group in Nicaragua, of which Ruth's group Pro-Nica was not a member. Wheaton noticed that Ruth was taking down information about individuals and groups in attendance. Ruth “studied the bulletin board there, copying everything on it. . . . Also she made reference to people she knew in the U. S. Embassy.” Wheaton added that Ruth would show up with two men who would make tape recordings and take pictures. Ruth claimed they were authorized by the Nicaragua Network to take photos, but when this was checked, the claim turned out to be false. IOW, Ruth was still doing surveillance work for the CIA in the 1980s.

[Lance Payette]

I take it no one's going to try to explain how Michael Paine could have told Ruth Paine that he was "sure" Oswald had killed JFK when he called Ruth from work at 1:00 PM on 11/22, when Oswald had not even been arrested yet. How in the world would Michael Paine have even suspected, much less been certain, that Oswald had shot JFK before Oswald was even arrested, especially since both he and Ruth later claimed they were shocked when they learned that Oswald had been charged with JFK's murder?

This factoid - and make no mistake, it is a factoid - is beaten to death and beyond at an Ed Forum thread in which Greg Doudna, Max Good, Bill Simpich and numerous others participate: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27706-the-timing-and-content-of-the-we-both-know-who-was-responsible-phone-call-of-ruth-and-michael-paine/page/5/.

I am not going to rehash it here, but there is no certainty that Michael made any comment like this. The subject call was a collect call from Michael to Ruth, the alleged comment (attributed to a "male voice") was reported by an unidentified someone with the telephone company (probably the operator) to Paul Barger at the Irving PD (who said the source was a telephone lineman). The exact time is unknown, but the testimony of Michael's coworker Krystinik would suggest it was possibly after Oswald's arrest and certainly after the TSBD had been mentioned on the news. (FWIW, Bill Simpich argues on that thread that the comment attributed to Michael was actually invented by an intelligence operative!)

All I will add is that I recently watched the first three hours of news coverage by WFAA-TV in Dallas. It is fascinating to watch this unfold in real time, long before it was even known that JFK had died. I was surprised at how early in the coverage a crude map of Dealey Plaza was drawn on a chalkboard in the studio and then how soon a photo of the TSBD with the reporter pointing to the sixth-floor window was shown. The TSBD is clearly shown at 1:42 below, which was a mere 2 hours and 4 minutes after JFK was shot (because we know exactly when Zapruder went on the air) and the chalkboard is nearly an hour earlier, at 42:45.

[Michael T. Griffith]

This factoid - and make no mistake, it is a factoid - is beaten to death and beyond at an Ed Forum thread in which Greg Doudna, Max Good, Bill Simpich and numerous others participate: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27706-the-timing-and-content-of-the-we-both-know-who-was-responsible-phone-call-of-ruth-and-michael-paine/page/5/.

I am not going to rehash it here, but there is no certainty that Michael made any comment like this. The subject call was a collect call from Michael to Ruth, the alleged comment (attributed to a "male voice") was reported by an unidentified someone with the telephone company (probably the operator) to Paul Barger at the Irving PD (who said the source was a telephone lineman). The exact time is unknown, but the testimony of Michael's coworker Krystinik would suggest it was possibly after Oswald's arrest and certainly after the TSBD had been mentioned on the news. (FWIW, Bill Simpich argues on that thread that the comment attributed to Michael was actually invented by an intelligence operative!)

All I will add is that I recently watched the first three hours of news coverage by WFAA-TV in Dallas. It is fascinating to watch this unfold in real time, long before it was even known that JFK had died. I was surprised at how early in the coverage a crude map of Dealey Plaza was drawn on a chalkboard in the studio and then how soon a photo of the TSBD with the reporter pointing to the sixth-floor window was shown. The TSBD is clearly shown at 1:42 below, which was a mere 2 hours and 4 minutes after JFK was shot (because we know exactly when Zapruder went on the air) and the chalkboard is nearly an hour earlier, at 42:45.

Umm, again, (1) Ruth Paine herself told the FBI that the call occurred at 1:00 PM. So the fact that news footage showed the TSBD at 1:42 is irrelevant.

(2) The phone company records prove the call was made by Michael Paine to Ruth's residence, because he made the call collect.

I linked the FBI report in my reply. Did you not read it?