The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT

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Online Tom Graves

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Re: The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT
« Reply #98 on: September 12, 2025, 06:50:45 PM »
It gives credibility to the theory that it struck something hard on its base once.   I don't see how that supports the SBT which struck something hard at least twice.   

The only way it could be consistent with the SBT is if it struck something hard more than once but in the same place on its base.

Seein' as how Connally's fifth rib was soft, thin, and pliable, the only hard thing CE-399 struck was the radial bone in Connally's wrist.
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Re: The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT
« Reply #99 on: September 12, 2025, 06:59:48 PM »
Seein' as how Connally's fifth rib was soft, thin, and pliable, the only hard thing CE-399 struck was the radial bone in Connally's wrist.

   The above is like saying the only "hard thing" a bullet struck was a light pole. You guys continue running away from the "pristine" condition of this bullet. And then there's the minute grain loss of CE399. The negligible grain loss issue is exactly why Humes did not support the SBT.
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Online Tom Graves

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Re: The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT
« Reply #100 on: September 12, 2025, 07:09:21 PM »
The above is like saying the only "hard thing" a bullet struck was a light pole. You guys continue running away from the "pristine" condition of this bullet. And then there's the minute grain loss of CE399. The negligible grain loss issue is exactly why Humes did not support the SBT.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Me:

Is it possible that CE-399 extruded and lost 4 grains of lead/antimony core in wounding Kennedy and Connally?

Grok:

A loss of 4 grains (approximately 0.26 grams) [from CE-399] is within the realm of possibility, as the bullet’s core could extrude through the open base or microfractures in the jacket. The Warren Commission’s wound ballistics tests at Edgewood Arsenal, using similar WCC ammunition, showed that these bullets could lose small amounts of lead when striking bone or tissue at velocities around 1,900-2,000 feet per second (muzzle velocity was approximately 2,160 fps, slowing slightly before impact). The recovered bullet’s weight of 158.6 grains was described as “several grains less than the average,” suggesting that a loss of up to 4 grains is plausible if the bullet was on the higher end of the weight range (e.g., 162 grains, as some surplus Carcano bullets were reported).

. . . . . . .

How much of lead/antimony core do you figure was retrieved and how much do you figure was left in JBC's body, altogether?

Couple ounces?


-- Tom


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Re: The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT
« Reply #101 on: September 12, 2025, 09:32:09 PM »

   So you wanna swear by Humes except when he calls out the SBT? Humes had his shortcomings but he obviously could add and subtract. The "stuff" this cast of characters took to the grave would curl the hair. Enter Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE!

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Re: The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT
« Reply #102 on: September 12, 2025, 09:40:54 PM »
So you wanna swear by Humes except when he calls out the SBT? Humes had his shortcomings but he obviously could add and subtract. The "stuff" this cast of characters took to the grave would curl the hair. Enter Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE!

Dear Comrade Storing,

AFAIK, the only thing Humes didn't screw up was writing down the measurement that Boswell told him to write down regarding the distance from the tip of JFK's mastoid process to the entry wound in his lower neck / upper back.

Or was it the other way around?

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Re: The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT
« Reply #103 on: September 12, 2025, 10:05:46 PM »

  The JFK autopsy BACK photo puts all of this to rest. That's why none of you want to mention it.