More Morley Nothingburgers On the Way

[Tom Graves]

Every time Morley's falsehoods and smears are exposed as being just that you use the "Don't you want to hold the government accountable?" dodge. Whenever Morley has said release this or release that we say, "Yes, release them. The AARB files, Joannides personnel files. Whatever. Release them all."

For the nth time, release Harvey's files. Joannides files. No one here is saying otherwise. There. Satisfied?

Now do you want to address the points that Fred and others have made about his allegations? Or do you not care? What's amazing is that you ignore what Morley says, what he claims people did, what document "X" or "Y" will show. He accuses people of murder, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, framing innocent men, and essentially treason.

And when his claims are found to have no basis, when the evidence he claims shows this are produced and they don't show it, you don't care.

We get it Jon: You leftwing conspiracists want to get the CIA. Fine, in some cases you are correct about it. But stop using the assassination as an instrument to do so.

Far-Right Trump supporters are just as bad.

As I said somewhere earlier, one of Morley's main writers at JFK Facts (sic) is Chester "Chad" Nagle, Jr., a MAGAT if there ever was one.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Morley is not just saying: "We need a fuller historical understanding of events surrounding the assassination. About what the CIA was doing. Or possibly doing. There are hints that perhaps something worse happened. Acts of omission or acts of commission. Oswald may have been the target of some counter intelligence operation. Let's find out and hold people accountable."

That's fine. No one objects to that. Or should. If that's all that he was saying then I would march with him under his banner. But he is saying more than that and it's that more that's the problem.

He explicitly says this: "The CIA killed JFK and framed Oswald. And covered it up.  Angleton and Joannides and others committed treason. These documents will show it. That's why they are being held." Read Fred's posts or Tracy Parnell's. They quote him saying these things and more.

Then when the files are released and they don't show what he claims they would do, should we just shrug our shoulders and say "He means well"?

He's not just asking questions; he's giving answers too and making very serious claims. And when those answers are shown to have be wrong what should we do? Just give him a pass?

[Jon Banks]

You guys have nothing on Morley.

Some of you just dislike the fact that he’s treated as a credible JFK assassination researcher by the mainstream media and some members of Congress.

[Fred Litwin]

So, I have gotten Morley wrong, then point to some evidence that supports his allegations of an Oswald operation. Point us to a Joannides' document that sustains anything that he claims.

[Tom Graves]

You guys have nothing on Morley.

Some of you just dislike the fact that he’s treated as a credible JFK assassination researcher by the mainstream media and some members of Congress.

I knew Morley was a piece of you-know-what about five years ago when, in response to my question at his so-called JFK Facts (sic) website, he said that he thinks "Oswald's case officer in Moscow," Yuri "The KGB Had Absolutely Nothing to Do With 'Abnormal' Oswald in the USSR" Nosenko was a true defector.

[Jon Banks]

From the Solving JFK Podcast on Twitter/X:

Top 10 revelations from todays WaPo story on George Joannides:

1) Domestic spying was illegal in 1963. CIA did it anyway.

2) CIA lied to Warren Commission and HSCA about the existence of Howard Gebler.

3) CIA lied to ARRB about the existence of Howard, saying in a memo that there were no records for Howard Gebler.

4) The Joannides/Howard Gebler file WAS NOT part of the JFK records collection, which means CIA never turned it over to ARRB in the first place.

5) CIA gave Joannides a medal for excellent career service and expressly noted his time overseeing DRE and as HSCA liaison. (No, it’s not the whole point of the medal. But, yes, it is noted.)

6) Big one: Joannides’ progress reports for 17 months when he was at JM Wave working with DRE are missing! This would have valuable operational info. To @FredLitwin’s point, we cannot say Oswald’s name is not in the file if we don’t have all the records!

7) Howard Gebler (Joannides) primarily dealt with Luis Fernandez Rocha, the head of DRE.

35 CIA employees handled records related to Oswald from 1959-1963, including 6 who worked for Angleton and Helms.

9) Rocha sent a tape of Oswald’s radio debate with Carlos Bringuier to Howard Gebler!

10) After 11/22/63, Howard told DRE to call news media contacts to tell them about Oswald’s ties to FPCC.


https://x.com/SolvingJfk/status/1944797398150033505

[Tom Graves]

So, I have gotten Morley wrong, then point to some evidence that supports his allegations of an Oswald operation. Point us to a Joannides' document that sustains anything that he claims.

Dear Fred,

You have a typo of omission.

You left out the word "if".

Your Buddy,

-- Tom