Oswald’s descent

[Frank Beard]

It seems to have been a pretty remarkable transformation in Oswald.
In The Soviet Union he had friends, seems to have been reasonably happy, was sociable.
Within 8 months of returning to the US he was buying weapons and planning to assassinate Walker.
He was violent to Marina, isolated and generally unpopular.

All in all quite a remarkable life.
Aged just 24 he been in the marines, defected to the Soviet Union and assassinated the President.
Some c.v.

[Richard Smith]

It seems to have been a pretty remarkable transformation in Oswald.
In The Soviet Union he had friends, seems to have been reasonably happy, was sociable.
Within 8 months of returning to the US he was buying weapons and planning to assassinate Walker.
He was violent to Marina, isolated and generally unpopular.

All in all quite a remarkable life.
Aged just 24 he been in the marines, defected to the Soviet Union and assassinated the President.
Some c.v.

Oswald was a lifelong malcontent who blamed society for ignoring him.  For a brief moment in time in Russia, Oswald was made to feel like someone important.  He was an anomaly by defecting to the USSR.  He was given some attention because of that.  When the spotlight dimmed and he found himself just another working stiff in the USSR, he packed up and went home.  The pattern repeated itself after returning to the US.  He was amazingly consistent.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Oswald was a lifelong malcontent who blamed society for ignoring him.  For a brief moment in time in Russia, Oswald was made to feel like someone important.  He was an anomaly by defecting to the USSR.  He was given some attention because of that.  When the spotlight dimmed and he found himself just another working stiff in the USSR, he packed up and went home.  The pattern repeated itself after returning to the US.  He was amazingly consistent.

Being a malcontent is not the same as being a violent one. It's the violent aspect that is the issue. We've had this discussion before about how the violent, angry Oswald simply didn't show up in the Soviet Union but emerged or developed when he returned to the US. Something happened here, something fundamental to his nature changed. Maybe it was there and emerged; or was there and got worse. Whatever the explanation it was different.

Marina mentions in "Marina and Lee" that in the Soviet Union he would sometimes slap her with an open fist or with the back of his hand. Once. Then apologize. But in the US it was much harsher; he used a closed first and repeatedly punched her. Hard. People in the White Russian community saw the bruises. The man described below was simply not the one in Minsk.


                                           

[Michael T. Griffith]

It seems to have been a pretty remarkable transformation in Oswald.
In The Soviet Union he had friends, seems to have been reasonably happy, was sociable.
Within 8 months of returning to the US he was buying weapons and planning to assassinate Walker.
He was violent to Marina, isolated and generally unpopular.

All in all quite a remarkable life. Aged just 24 he been in the marines, defected to the Soviet Union and assassinated the President. Some c.v.

This Warren Commission version of Oswald was destroyed decades ago. You are decades behind the information curve in repeating it.

For example:

* By all accounts, Oswald liked JFK.

* He had plenty of friends in Dallas.

* He spent considerable time with David Ferrie and Guy Banister in New Orleans in the fall of 1963.

* The evidence that he fired at General Walker is pitiful. Plus, why would the same guy who supposedly fired at such a JFK hater as Edwin Walker turn around and try to kill JFK? It makes no sense.

I recommend that you watch Dr. David Wrone's presentation on problems with the case against Oswald:

[Frank Beard]

This Warren Commission version of Oswald was destroyed decades ago. You are decades behind the information curve in repeating it.

For example:

* By all accounts, Oswald liked JFK.

* He had plenty of friends in Dallas.

* He spent considerable time with David Ferrie and Guy Banister in New Orleans in the fall of 1963.

* The evidence that he fired at General Walker is pitiful. Plus, why would the same guy who supposedly fired at such a JFK hater as Edwin Walker turn around and try to kill JFK? It makes no sense.

I recommend that you watch Dr. David Wrone's presentation on problems with the case against Oswald:

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
Are you suggesting he didn’t fire at Walker or he didn’t fire at JFK?

I don’t think there is evidence that he had many - if any - friends in Dallas after George M left.
He didn’t mix with his co-workers at any of his places of employment in Texas (or New Orleans).
He lost one job specifically because he was antagonising his colleagues.

In oct/nov 1963 his landlady said he didn’t go out in the evenings, and barely spoke to anyone in the rooming house.
I think he became mentally ill and was stressed by what he perceived as FBI harassment.
His relationship with Marina was broken.
The Paine’s didn’t like him.
The only time that he seemed happy was when he was playing with his daughter or the Paine’s son.
He was dyslexic and emotionally disturbed at school.

I think he was quite a sad character.

(Unless you believe the alternative scenario that all of the above was just part of an act).

[Steve M. Galbraith]

The question on the table, the one that Oswald apologists and conspiracy fantasists won't address, is about whether Oswald had a violent streak in him, whether he was capable of violent acts. On that issue, his apologists have, well, apologies.

Again, this is the man that his apologists think wasn't capable of violence. Really? You think this is normal behavior? But we know: he was acting, pretending to be a Marxist. Or it was faked. Or both. He was both pretending to be a radical AND they also faked it. In conspiracy world things are both A" and not "A". It has to in order for their conspiracy to work at least on some level.



And here is Oswald about two months before the assassination. This is from one of the Soviet officials/KGB agents who met him. NOT the Warren Commission.



Beatings of Marina, attempt on Walker, shooting Tippit, this....this is a desperate person willing to engage in violence

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Here is the HSCA on Oswald's willingness to engage in violence. This is the *same* HSCA, not the WC, that conspiracists like to cite for their conspiracy.

The attempt on Walker, the brutal beatings of Marina, the murder of Tippit, the attempt to shoot his way out of the arrest, the hysteria at the Soviet Embassy where he waved a gun and said he would protect himself (from who? this man is falling apart), the "revolutionary" persona. This is a man capable of violence.

[Royell Storing]

  You guys need to define "violent streak". Would a hunter have a "violent streak"? Hunters frequently take pictures of themselves with their guns. I believe Oswald was involved in the JFK Assassination. That said, nobody thus far has placed him in that 6th floor window at 12:30. And for 10+ years we have had  Max Holland banging that drum of trying to extend the elapsed firing time to 11+ seconds in order to accommodate Oswald's bolt action carcano. They also Now have Oswald firing a shot while standing up and firing Down through a partially open window and then sitting down to fire shots #2 and #3. And Max has even changed the physical position of the JFK Limo on Elm St. The more this "Oswald did it" story is forced to make major changes, the less I am inclined to place him in that window.