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Re: Toni Glover
« Reply #91 on: August 08, 2026, 01:01:49 AM »
You're actually right about something for a change, Fancy Pants Rants.

Memories are incredibly unreliable.

Take, for example, Toni Glover's mistakenly claiming that the limo was far down Elm Street when Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot rang out, Mary Woodward's mistakenly claiming that the first shot (which sounded like a backfire to her) occurred after JFK and Jackie had waved to her and her three colleagues (starting around Z-175), and Karen Westbrook's mistakenly saying Stella Mae Jacob, Glorua Jeanne Holt, and Sharon Simmons in the Zapruder film were "Uhh, Carol Reed?, Gloria Calvery, and me!!!" to smilin' 'n noddin' Stephen Fagin at The Sixth Floor Museum.

LOL!

   You guys want to rely on the "images" when they conflict with the "memory" of an eyewitness? So explain: (1) WILLIS 5 showing only 2 Guys standing at the bottom of The Steps, and (2) The NIX FILM showing a White Shirt Man running Up-The-Steps. Both of these unexplained images being in the very same area.

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« Reply #92 on: August 08, 2026, 02:23:40 AM »
You guys want to rely on the "images" when they conflict with the "memory" of an eyewitness? So, explain: (1) WILLIS 5 showing only 2 Guys standing at the bottom of The Steps, and (2) The NIX FILM showing a White Shirt Man running Up-The-Steps. Both of these unexplained images being in the very same area.

Dear Storm Trooper Storing,

Excellent questions!

Why don't you start a new thread?

-- Tom
« Last Edit: August 08, 2026, 02:26:06 AM by Tom Graves »

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« Reply #93 on: August 08, 2026, 05:58:35 PM »
Hi folks. Long time. I just presented an academic paper about witness testimony. I'm going to paste it in here.

I Said What?

There are (at least) five ways witnesses’ stories can change unintentionally.
1.   We want to have an answer for you. And we want to have an answer that will support your premise. It isn’t easy to say, “I don’t know.” We feel like we failed you, and you’ll hear, “I’m so sorry.” It’s possible to feel so much pressure you “think” of something new.

2.   When you tell the same story 1,000 times, it can/will ‘organically’ change one word at a time. The 25th time I tell something I might add an adjective. The 50th time that adjective has become three words.
From my interviews:
“I ran over to Baker’s police motorcycle to see if I could hear any information.”
“I ran over to Baker’s two wheeled police motorcycle to see if I could hear any    information.”
“I ran over to Baker’s two wheeled police motorcycle that was parked next to some three wheelers, to see if I could hear anything.”
This is all still true, but I’m adding words and that’s where a new, often false, detail crops up.
3.   We live in a world where logic reigns supreme, but logic can overtake and change “memory.”
The first time I ever saw a picture of myself on that pedestal, I fell to my knees and cried. I had told the historians that I thought I had on the blue jacket but didn’t know what else. I also said I stayed home from school to go to the “parade.”
Gary Mack asked if I had on a black skirt. I saw the picture and it looked like a skirt.
Big Problem! Logic took over. Well, if I had on a skirt, I must have gone to school. That’s the only way I’d have one on in Dealey Plaza.
Then one of you eagle-eyed researchers figured out it was culottes. Shorts with a skirt. I could not have worn those to school. I must have stayed home like I thought I did.

4.   There are 40,000 books and dozens of movies about the Kennedy and the assassination. It would be impossible for us to be sentient beings in the world and not hear about various versions of what happened. Sticking to our original memory takes effort. We do the best we can. We really do.

5.   It was a very, very long time ago. I can’t remember what I had for dinner last week.
Try 62 years.

In my very first interview (forgive my extreme obesity at the time) I said I was too far away to see red blood. I saw grey material blast out of his head, but it sparkled. Later, having spoken with the physicists at my University, I learned it would be impossible to see 'sparkle' from that distance. In my next interview I said, "I was too far away to see blood. It didn't sparkle.
I received more than one email saying, "If your testimony changes over time, how can we trust anything you say?"
Welcome to my world.

I have completed my book and Pegasus Books is publishing it. "The Girl in Blue."
The first edition is in pre-order. Physical release in April.

If you are looking for new info on the assassination, you will be disappointed. The book is not about the assassination. It is about an emotionally disturbed little girl who goes to Dealey Plaza, and what the assassination does to her. I had to choose which theory of the assassination to use, and I chose Oswald as the single shooter.
That does not mean I know who killed Kennedy. I don't. The Oswald story was the easiest to research. The book is CREATIVE non-fiction. It is not a historical document. Hopefully, there are places that will make you will laugh and other places that might make you cry. Regardless of your theory, I think you'll enjoy it.

And FYI, no, I didn't see sparkles:))
Toni



I send this on this forum because people are genuinely trying to investigate details, images, testimony.

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« Reply #94 on: August 09, 2026, 03:22:03 PM »
Hi folks. Long time. I just presented an academic paper about witness testimony. I'm going to paste it in here.

I Said What?

There are (at least) five ways witnesses’ stories can change unintentionally.
1.   We want to have an answer for you. And we want to have an answer that will support your premise. It isn’t easy to say, “I don’t know.” We feel like we failed you, and you’ll hear, “I’m so sorry.” It’s possible to feel so much pressure you “think” of something new.

2.   When you tell the same story 1,000 times, it can/will ‘organically’ change one word at a time. The 25th time I tell something I might add an adjective. The 50th time that adjective has become three words.
From my interviews:
“I ran over to Baker’s police motorcycle to see if I could hear any information.”
“I ran over to Baker’s two wheeled police motorcycle to see if I could hear any    information.”
“I ran over to Baker’s two wheeled police motorcycle that was parked next to some three wheelers, to see if I could hear anything.”
This is all still true, but I’m adding words and that’s where a new, often false, detail crops up.
3.   We live in a world where logic reigns supreme, but logic can overtake and change “memory.”
The first time I ever saw a picture of myself on that pedestal, I fell to my knees and cried. I had told the historians that I thought I had on the blue jacket but didn’t know what else. I also said I stayed home from school to go to the “parade.”
Gary Mack asked if I had on a black skirt. I saw the picture and it looked like a skirt.
Big Problem! Logic took over. Well, if I had on a skirt, I must have gone to school. That’s the only way I’d have one on in Dealey Plaza.
Then one of you eagle-eyed researchers figured out it was culottes. Shorts with a skirt. I could not have worn those to school. I must have stayed home like I thought I did.

4.   There are 40,000 books and dozens of movies about the Kennedy and the assassination. It would be impossible for us to be sentient beings in the world and not hear about various versions of what happened. Sticking to our original memory takes effort. We do the best we can. We really do.

5.   It was a very, very long time ago. I can’t remember what I had for dinner last week.
Try 62 years.

In my very first interview (forgive my extreme obesity at the time) I said I was too far away to see red blood. I saw grey material blast out of his head, but it sparkled. Later, having spoken with the physicists at my University, I learned it would be impossible to see 'sparkle' from that distance. In my next interview I said, "I was too far away to see blood. It didn't sparkle.
I received more than one email saying, "If your testimony changes over time, how can we trust anything you say?"
Welcome to my world.

I have completed my book and Pegasus Books is publishing it. "The Girl in Blue."
The first edition is in pre-order. Physical release in April.

If you are looking for new info on the assassination, you will be disappointed. The book is not about the assassination. It is about an emotionally disturbed little girl who goes to Dealey Plaza, and what the assassination does to her. I had to choose which theory of the assassination to use, and I chose Oswald as the single shooter.
That does not mean I know who killed Kennedy. I don't. The Oswald story was the easiest to research. The book is CREATIVE non-fiction. It is not a historical document. Hopefully, there are places that will make you will laugh and other places that might make you cry. Regardless of your theory, I think you'll enjoy it.

And FYI, no, I didn't see sparkles:))
Toni



I send this on this forum because people are genuinely trying to investigate details, images, testimony.

To me, the most interesting part of your 11/22/63 story is your Not recalling Amos Euins being crouched down behind that pedestal that you and your Mom were standing atop. And your also detailing that your Mom and yourself actually moved down along that cement cap that surrounds the water pool, in order to get down on the ground. Euins claimed on, "The Lost Bullet" National Geographic Special, that after he witnessed shots being fired from the TSBD 6th Floor Window, he immediately crouched down behind that same pedestal that you and your Mom were standing on top of.  Euins Not being down behind that pedestal, also taints his detailed description of seeing shots being fired from the TSBD 6th floor window.

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« Reply #95 on: August 09, 2026, 09:22:06 PM »
To me, the most interesting part of your 11/22/63 story is your Not recalling Amos Euins being crouched down behind that pedestal that you and your Mom were standing atop. And your also detailing that your Mom and yourself actually moved down along that cement cap that surrounds the water pool, in order to get down on the ground. Euins claimed on, "The Lost Bullet" National Geographic Special, that after he witnessed shots being fired from the TSBD 6th Floor Window, he immediately crouched down behind that same pedestal that you and your Mom were standing on top of.  Euins Not being down behind that pedestal, also taints his detailed description of seeing shots being fired from the TSBD 6th floor window.

Euins was sitting on the same curved concrete wall that Howard Brennan was sitting on.


That's him directly above Robert Croft in Z-170 and Z-176. He's wearing his light-colored jacket and his (Black) head is visible above the tree/bush.





He can also be seen at the 00:37 mark in the Mark Bell film, sitting on the pillar at the left end of the wall.



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Re: Toni Glover
« Reply #96 on: August 09, 2026, 10:20:47 PM »

Euins was sitting on the same curved concrete wall that Howard Brennan was sitting on.


That's him directly above Robert Croft in Z-170. His head is visible above the tree/bush.





He can also be seen at the 00:37 mark in the Mark Bell film, sitting on the pillar at the left end of the wall.


   You obviously have Never watched "The Lost Bullet" (2011). In that National Geographic sponsored presentation, an adult Amos Euins stand directly next to the pedestal that Toni Glover and her Mom stood atop. Euins demonstrates how he hid behind that same pedestal immediately after witnessing shots being fired from the TSBD sniper's nest. This is NOT the same pedestal, behind Croft, or even close to the same area that you are referring to. That kid sitting on the other end of the wall, behind Croft, is Not Amos Euins.
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« Reply #97 on: August 09, 2026, 11:27:35 PM »
You obviously have Never watched "The Lost Bullet" (2011). In that National Geographic sponsored presentation, an adult Amos Euins stand directly next to the pedestal that Toni Glover and her Mom stood atop. Euins demonstrates how he hid behind that same pedestal immediately after witnessing shots being fired from the TSBD sniper's nest. This is NOT the same pedestal, behind Croft, or even close to the same area that you are referring to. That kid sitting on the other end of the wall, behind Croft, is Not Amos Euins.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

I've watched "The Lost Bullet" more times than I can shake a stick at.

It's now apparent that in it, Euins was either mistaken or lying to Max Holland as to where, exactly, he was right before Oswald fired his first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

We can see that Euins is sitting on the opposite pillar from Toni Glover's in the Zapruder and Bell films, and that Howard Brennan is sitting on the wall between them.

it's obvious that he had an excellent view of the Sniper's Nest window.

In Z-170 and Z-176, his head and light-colored jacket are visible directly above Robert Croft and the foliage of the tree/bush.

Let this be a lesson to you about the so called "reliability" of eyewitnesses' statements, especially when they're made forty-eight years after the fact, Stormtrooper Storing.

-- Tom

PS Or would you prefer it's just another case of "Deep State" / "National Security State" / "Administrative State" film alteration?

LOL!

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