Toni Glover

[Royell Storing]

I have sometimes wondered if Euins could have been sitting on the other pedestal and just mistakenly designated the wrong pedestal due to a faulty memory. See yellow arrow in the image below.

  Euins now an adult, did a segment on "The Lost Bullet" where he demonstrated the pacing of the 3 shots fired. He judo chopped downward on the Glover Pedestal to emphasize that pacing. I think he was 15 on 11/22/63. Small but 15. Old enough to know and remember where he stood that day. He owns the Glover Pedestal.
 

[Lance Payette]

   Euins is an assassination eyewitness that claims he saw shots being fired from the TSBD 6th Floor sniper's nest. He claimed he crouched next to the Glover Pedestal for cover. Glover directly refutes his Pedestal story. You do Not believe a key JFK Assassination eyewitness being discredited is "significant"? This, and your blanket rejecting any memory dating back before 1965 would make your being seated on a jury an extremely tough sell.

The Glover Pedestal? Is there a plaque there now? I want to tread lightly, because I don't want to appear to be engaging in character assassination of Toni Glover. The fact is, Amos Lee Euins told his story the day of the JFKA, was interviewed twice by the FBI, and testified to the WC. Yes, he wasn't 100% consistent, but after all that I find it difficult to believe a 15-year-old Black kid was telling whoppers about where he was. Toni Glover says nothing until the mid-1990s, 30 years after the JFKA, surfaces in a much larger way around the 50th anniversary (including appearing at the Lancer conference), is now writing or has written a book about being "The Girl in Blue." and is doing her third interview for the Sixth Floor Museum and clearly enjoying her moment in the sun. She "directly refutes" Euins' account with "memories" that are 50 or more years old and relate to a moment in time when she was 11 years old. Her assertion that she would have noticed and recalled Euins if he'd been there seems highly unlikely to me. There were some 72,000 Blacks in Dallas in 1963; they weren't exactly scarce. Yes, if I were on a jury I would be an extremely tough sell for Glover's "memories" having any bearing at all on where Euins actually was. On this point, what she says about Euins amounts to no more than "Hey, I was an 11-year-old kid at the time and 30-50 years later I have no recollection of him." OK, whoop-de-doo.

[Tom Graves]

The Glover Pedestal? Is there a plaque there now? I want to tread lightly, because I don't want to appear to be engaging in character assassination of Toni Glover. The fact is, Amos Lee Euins told his story the day of the JFKA, was interviewed twice by the FBI, and testified to the WC. Yes, he wasn't 100% consistent, but after all that I find it difficult to believe a 15-year-old Black kid was telling whoppers about where he was. Toni Glover says nothing until the mid-1990s, 30 years after the JFKA, surfaces in a much larger way around the 50th anniversary (including appearing at the Lancer conference), is now writing or has written a book about being "The Girl in Blue." and is doing her third interview for the Sixth Floor Museum and clearly enjoying her moment in the sun. She "directly refutes" Euins' account with "memories" that are 50 or more years old and relate to a moment in time when she was 11 years old. Her assertion that she would have noticed and recalled Euins if he'd been there seems highly unlikely to me. There were some 72,000 Blacks in Dallas in 1963; they weren't exactly scarce. Yes, if I were on a jury I would be an extremely tough sell for Glover's "memories" having any bearing at all on where Euins actually was. On this point, what she says about Euins amounts to no more than "Hey, I was an 11-year-old kid at the time and 30-50 years later I have no recollection of him." OK, whoop-de-doo.

Devil's Advocate Rhetorical Question: Would Euins have been able to see the Sniper's Nest window if Glover and her mother had been standing on the pedestal at the time?

[Lance Payette]

OK, I'll play cross-examining attorney for a moment:

This is Glover in a 2013 newspaper interview:

Glover said she did not have a good home life, describing her father as abusive. In her 11-year-old naiveté, she believed if she could get Kennedy to wave at her or even look at her, it would mean he "knew I existed and no one would hurt a kid that Kennedy knew."

"I went there with this magical thinking that just a wave and a smile would change my life forever, and he did indeed look up and smile and wave and it took my breath away. I was just floating on air. I was in the ether somewhere, and I had tunnel vision on the car."

https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2013/11/21/girl-in-blue-recalls/37935151007/

Sound like a great witness, ladies and gentlemen of the jury?

Pat Speer writes extensively about Glover and identifies her in all the relevant films. He places Euins on the pedestal to her left. At one point, a woman is beside Glover. Glover "can't remember what her mother wore" and doesn't think the woman was her mother, but "that sure looks like her coat." Otherwise, Glover doesn't know who was standing on the pedestal RIGHT NEXT to her.

Sound like a great witness, ladies and gentlemen of the jury?

[Tom Graves]

And your point is?

It contradicts Euin's story, as told by him in "JFK: The Lost Bullet" (which you can watch with your very own eyes), as to how he walked down the sidewalk and crouched behind the pedestal.

[Lance Payette]

Devil's Advocate Rhetorical Question: Would Euins have been able to see the Sniper's Nest window if Glover and her mother had been standing on the pedestal at the time?

If he was the guy Pat Speer identifies as him, then absolutely yes.

I am not really a Euins aficionado, Dentist Don and sock puppets being my areas of specialized expertise. I just find it comical that the fact that a 60-something woman doesn't remember seeing Euins when she was 11 would carry any weight with anyone.

FWIW, I pulled up a bunch of 11-22-63 crowd photos in Dealey Plaza and along the motorcade route. There were plenty of Black faces.

[Royell Storing]

The Glover Pedestal? Is there a plaque there now? I want to tread lightly, because I don't want to appear to be engaging in character assassination of Toni Glover. The fact is, Amos Lee Euins told his story the day of the JFKA, was interviewed twice by the FBI, and testified to the WC. Yes, he wasn't 100% consistent, but after all that I find it difficult to believe a 15-year-old Black kid was telling whoppers about where he was. Toni Glover says nothing until the mid-1990s, 30 years after the JFKA, surfaces in a much larger way around the 50th anniversary (including appearing at the Lancer conference), is now writing or has written a book about being "The Girl in Blue." and is doing her third interview for the Sixth Floor Museum and clearly enjoying her moment in the sun. She "directly refutes" Euins' account with "memories" that are 50 or more years old and relate to a moment in time when she was 11 years old. Her assertion that she would have noticed and recalled Euins if he'd been there seems highly unlikely to me. There were some 72,000 Blacks in Dallas in 1963; they weren't exactly scarce. Yes, if I were on a jury I would be an extremely tough sell for Glover's "memories" having any bearing at all on where Euins actually was. On this point, what she says about Euins amounts to no more than "Hey, I was an 11-year-old kid at the time and 30-50 years later I have no recollection of him." OK, whoop-de-doo.

  Come on now. She's standing on that pedestal with her Mom. They both had to climb Down from that pedestal. And you do not think she would notice a Kid squatted down below her, scrunched up against this same pedestal? Just because she was 11 yrs old does Not make her a "ding bat", Archie.

[Charles Collins]

It contradicts Euin's story, as told by him in "JFK: The Lost Bullet" (which you can watch with your very own eyes), as to how he walked down the sidewalk and crouched behind the pedestal.

I believe I already acknowledged the contradiction by stating that I think he might have had a faulty memory.