Two Wallets? Nope.

[Lance Payette]

This little exchange is almost a textbook lesson in Conspiracy Think.

First, let’s ask an epistemological question: What is the likelihood that Lee Harvey Oswald, after having been arrested at the Texas Theater and brought to the Dallas Police headquarters, would still have a wallet, loose ID cards or anything else on him? Zero? Yes, that sounds about right.

Next, we note the following in Stovall’s Warren Commission testimony, just in the brief part where he is addressing his participation in the interrogation of Oswald:

          “I don’t recall exactly …”
          “as well as I remember …”
          “as well as I remember …”
          “I’m not positive on that …”
          “I’m not sure …”

Hmmm. In Conspiracy Think, of course, a witness’s admission that he didn’t pay much attention or really doesn’t recall is irrelevant. He is forever locked into whatever he said.

When Rose testified to the Warren Commission, he did not say that he found Oswald’s wallet on him. He said Oswald “had already been searched” and “someone had his billfold.” He “wasn’t sure” whether it was “the patrolman who brought him in that had it or not.” He agreed the contents of Oswald’s wallet were “before him.”

The only confusing part is where Rose is asked, “And then you found two or three cards on him?” and answers, “Yes, we did.” This is immediately before he is asked whether he searched Oswald and answers that Oswald had already been searched, that someone had his wallet, and that the contents of the wallet were before him.

Hmmm. We can either believe that (1) Rose simply misspoke or (2) Oswald still had an Oswald ID card and a Hidell ID card loose in his pocket.

Next, we note that Stovall, Rose and Adamcik completed a joint report of their activities on the day of the assassination. You can find it here, on page 27: http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Anatomy%20Of%20Oswalds%20Interrogations%20V3-WEB.pdf

The joint report said nothing about a wallet or finding ID cards in Oswald’s pocket. It merely stated, “We (Rose and Stovall) talked to him briefly, obtaining his ID and name, …”

Hmmm. “Obtaining.”

Lastly, Rose was the subject of an HSCA interview on April 13, 1978. You can find it at http://www.prayer-man.com/dpd/gus-rose/#lightbox[group]/0/. Rose was quite clear as to what had occurred:

          “And one of the officers handed me a wallet they had taken out of his pocket. And I asked the suspect what his name was.”

          “And when he told me his name was Hidell I just flipped open his billfold and looked through his identification cards and I also found the name Lee Harvey Oswald. So I said here’s some identification for Oswald, is Hidell your real name?”

Here in the Real World, there is no mystery. Rose was given Oswald’s wallet, found the conflicting ID cards, and asked about them. As might well be expected here in the Real World, the recollections of Rose and Stovall did not mesh exactly.

In Conspiracy World, however, there is highly suspicious conflict, dispute and mystery. In Conspiracy World, there is ALWAYS highly suspicious conflict, dispute and mystery!

[Michael Capasse]

In Conspiracy World, however, there is highly suspicious conflict, dispute and mystery. 

If that is the world you live in, then maybe that is your problem.

[Martin Weidmann]

Big Deal!

The backyard photos have been proven 7 ways to Sunday and you have no choice but to accept their authenticity but and it's a big but, here is where your biased manufacturing and inventing impossible scenarios comes into play, your allegation that the rifle in the backyard photos isn't the same one that Kleins sent, which leads to these wild fabrications;

• That there is no proof Oswald ordered the rifle
• That the money order was faked
• That Oswald's Hidell alias was faked
• That Kleins records and microfilm were altered
• That Kleins didn't send the rifle
• That Oswald didn't receive the rifle
• That Oswald didn't use the rifle in the following month after the backyard photos in Oswald's assassination attempt on Walker
• That the rifle in the backyard photo is a different rifle
• That Marina saw a block of wood in the blanket
• That Oswald didn't take the rifle to work on the 22nd
• That the rifle found on the 6th floor wasn't Oswald's
• That the palm print was faked
• That the fibre evidence means absolutely nothing
• That the relatively fresh prints in the Sniper's nest are worthless
• That Oswald's interrogation questions and answers re the rifle have been falsified
Etc Etc.

And as for Oswald in immediately flight from the scene of the crime, well that's a no brainer! DUH!
But what happened next is another series of Weidmann bias, from Bledsoe hallucinations and the planted bus transfer, to the cab ride, to Earlene Roberts, to Tippit's murder and the planted wallet and the jacket, to what happened in the Texas Theatre and Oswald's revolver being swapped and ETC, ETC, are all in severe aggressive dispute!

You're a Loon!


JohnM

So much aggression can only originate from an extremely biased cult member who hasn't got the ability to consider anything that doesn't fit his holy narrative and has no arguments to show that another interpretation of the evidence is incorrect.

But thank you for demonstrating so clearly just how biased you really are! I've asked you to, for once, answer a question in a normal manner and be precise and you can't even do that.

Instead you post BS that, in your mind, means that anybody who doubts and asks questions about the evidence is presenting "wild fabrications" based on "biased manufacturing and inventing impossible scenarios".

You don't even understand that all of it is right out the cult handbook. That's sad!

You are the school example of somebody who knows enough about a subject to think he's right, but not enough to know he's wrong

[Martin Weidmann]

It is indeed classic Conspiracy Think. Every discrepancy becomes a "conspiracy fact" in the minds of these characters. If one witness says the car was purple, one says red and one says maroon - voila, three cars were fleeing from the scene and the routine hit-and-run becomes a mysterious conspiracy! These peoples' minds simply cannot be penetrated by rational thought. One can only observe the mysterious workings and marvel that they somehow function in the real world. It is ABSOLUTELY like attempting to discuss an issue with a Flat Earther, Fake Moon Landing fanatic, or any species of hardcore religious fundamentalist. Been there, done that. At some level, deep down, I have to believe they know they are spouting nonsense, but the desire to believe transcends rational thought.

It is ABSOLUTELY like attempting to discuss an issue with a Flat Earther, Fake Moon Landing fanatic, or any species of hardcore religious fundamentalist. Been there, done that.

So has "Mytton".

Wow, just another amazing coincidence. Go figure.

[Lance Payette]

The swami makes no accusations. The swami makes only observations. The swami accepts that one Michael Capasse is indeed a living, embodied person living in Connecticut.

Be that as it may, the swami notes that the mysterious Tom Sorensen is ostensibly a fellow Administrator of Mr. Capasse at their obscure JFKBoards.net. This obscure site has only 11 members and, indeed, pretty much no one ever posts there except the Administrators. If there is a non-Administrator participant who might qualify as the Martin of this forum, I am unable to identify him.

Set forth below is a representative sampling of Mr. Capasse's responses to the mysterious Martin. All three individuals - Mr. Capasse, the mysterious Tom and the mysterious Martin - have a visceral hatred of The Donald, an intense personal animosity toward certain participants here (notably John Mytton and Richard Smith), and an affinity for much the same vocabulary and especially the same ad hominem terminology. "You could look it up," as Casey Stengel used to say.

Startling coincidences do happen, of course.

The swami (oh, that's me) makes no accusations. The swami makes only observations.

These are all responses of Mr. Capasse to the posts of the mysterious Martin:

Nutters think they can knock down conspiracy theories all day long to better the Oswald theory. It does nothing.
What they ignore is, they're the only ones that have to anything to prove.

Nutters will tell you they are mistaken even when witnesses themselves insist they were not.

One of the Administrators at the obscure site is one Arjan Hut, a Dutch poet who sounds far too interesting to be the mysterious Martin:

https://dichterfanfryslan.nl/en/poets/arjan-hut/

He does curiously live in the same one-hour-east-of-the-UK time zone as Martin "from Europe," but the swami makes no accusations; the swami makes only observations.

"Weidmann in the context of the Netherlands refers to both a brewery and a supplier of beer, with a history dating back to 1538. The brewery, Weidmann, offers a wide range of beer styles, from classic Dutch lagers to German Weissbier, under its own heritage brands or through trading brands." Merely an observation.



Since all three (or five or whatever) have been relegated to the realm of non-existence, the swami will now cease even to make observations on this aspect of this curious forum. If permitted to do so, the swami will be changing his forum name to Old Rasputin in honor of Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Ale.

[Martin Weidmann]

The swami makes no accusations. The swami makes only observations. The swami accepts that one Michael Capasse is indeed a living, embodied person living in Connecticut.

Be that as it may, the swami notes that the mysterious Tom Sorensen is ostensibly a fellow Administrator of Mr. Capasse at their obscure JFKBoards.net. This obscure site has only 11 members and, indeed, pretty much no one ever posts there except the Administrators. If there is a non-Administrator participant who might qualify as the Martin of this forum, I am unable to identify him.

Set forth below is a representative sampling of Mr. Capasse's responses to the mysterious Martin. All three individuals - Mr. Capasse, the mysterious Tom and the mysterious Martin - have a visceral hatred of The Donald, an intense personal animosity toward certain participants here (notably John Mytton and Richard Smith), and an affinity for much the same vocabulary and especially the same ad hominem terminology. "You could look it up," as Casey Stengel used to say.

Startling coincidences do happen, of course.

The swami (oh, that's me) makes no accusations. The swami makes only observations.

These are all responses of Mr. Capasse to the posts of the mysterious Martin:

One of the Administrators at the obscure site is one Arjan Hut, a Dutch poet who sounds far too interesting to be the mysterious Martin:

https://dichterfanfryslan.nl/en/poets/arjan-hut/

He does curiously live in the same one-hour-east-of-the-UK time zone as Martin "from Europe," but the swami makes no accusations; the swami makes only observations.

"Weidmann in the context of the Netherlands refers to both a brewery and a supplier of beer, with a history dating back to 1538. The brewery, Weidmann, offers a wide range of beer styles, from classic Dutch lagers to German Weissbier, under its own heritage brands or through trading brands." Merely an observation.



Since all three (or five or whatever) have been relegated to the realm of non-existence, the swami will now cease even to make observations on this aspect of this curious forum. If permitted to do so, the swami will be changing his forum name to Old Rasputin in honor of Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Ale.

He does curiously live in the same one-hour-east-of-the-UK time zone as Martin "from Europe,"

It's called GMT + 1! You don't even know that? I bet you've never even heard of Greenwich Mean Time.

Btw, what's curious about it? Don't you know that every country in Western Europe from the Netherlands to Poland and Spain to Serbia all have the same time zone (except Portugal)?

"Weidmann in the context of the Netherlands refers to both a brewery and a supplier of beer, with a history dating back to 1538.

You've got to love it when a "know-it-all" (who wants to talk about anything but the evidence is this case) gets basic information wrong. The Weidmann brewery is Germany; https://www.weidmannbier.com/

[John Mytton]

"Weidmann in the context of the Netherlands refers to both a brewery and a supplier of beer, with a history dating back to 1538. The brewery, Weidmann, offers a wide range of beer styles, from classic Dutch lagers to German Weissbier, under its own heritage brands or through trading brands." Merely an observation.

Hahahaha!

It's pretty obvious that Martin likes a little drinkypoo when he's posting but 2.5% alcohol, yikes!

But admittedly that's a pretty cool name to pick as an alias, maybe next next time he/she could pick "Victoria Bitter" because at least that's a man's beer!
And the "Bitter" part is kinda appropriate.



JohnM