For Weeks Before Assassination Oswald's Every Move Monitored By FBI/CIA

[Lance Payette]

This makes Hosty negligent  liar based on his failure to act on what he says he knew , negligence & lies on his part that directly resulted in the president And yet Hosty failed to inform the Secret Service Advance team preparing the route for the President's motorcade of what he suspected could be a Russian asset with a documented violent history with firearms sitting in a 6th floor snipers nest looking down on the President like shooting fish in a barrel.

"Documented violent history with firearms" - ?

You also speak as though "the FBI" were some monolithic entity. "The FBI" in this instance was Hosty. The whole point of people like Shenon is that better intra-agency and inter-agency communication would have at least put Oswald's employment in the TSBD on the SS's radar screen. (It's entirely possible the SS would have been satisfied he was harmless as well. Hindsight is always 20-20.)

Other than the fact that the CIA, FBI and SS dropped the ball, which everyone agrees is true, what is your point?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

After the assassination, Hoover ordered one of his top agents, James Gale, to review the FBI's surveillance of Oswald. Gale came back with a scathing review of the failure of the agents to adequately keep track of the Oswalds. Among other things: they completely failed to interview Marina; they took Oswald off the security indices list; and Hosty failed to interview Oswald after learning about Oswald's visit to Mexico City and his meeting with Soviet officials (Kostikov most notably) at the Embassy. And so on.

The FBI was simply not monitoring every move that Oswald made.

The brief account below is from Philip Shenon's book "A Cruel and Shocking Act."

[Watson Phillips]

, it appears to me, is expanding Shenon's point into something more dark and sinister than simple bureaucratic incompetence and the inevitable attempt to hide it. Surely what the CIA and particularly FBI did know about Oswald should have been communicated to the SS before the JFKA.

For the third time now, in what alternate universe does the FBI failure to inform the President's Secret Service Advance team that the proposed motorcade will be passing directly underneath a building with a 6th floor sniper's nest containing what Hosty is on record as saying is a possible Russian asset currently under investigation , with a  known documented history of criminal violence & firearms convictions , fit the description of "simple bureaucratic
incompetence?
Simple incompetence involving 17 individual experienced FBI agents all failing to inform the Secret Service Advance team of an individual under active criminal investigation , sitting directly above the motorcade ?
REALLY?
It takes some king-kong size giblets to own up the failure of 17 experienced FBI agents to include in their possible threat list to the Secret Service Advance Team what would have prevented the murder of President to being "Simple bureaucratic incompetence "  and then call other people "conspiracy theorists "

A location in spitting proximity of the presidential motorcade Agent Hosty says he had full knowledge of :
Mr. HOSTY. Yes; that is my recollection that we looked it [where Oswald was working] up in her telephone book to show it at 411 Elm Street, Dallas, Tex.

[Watson Phillips]

"Documented violent history with firearms" - ?

You also speak as though "the FBI" were some monolithic entity. "The FBI" in this instance was Hosty. The whole point of people like Shenon is that better intra-agency and inter-agency communication would have at least put Oswald's employment in the TSBD on the SS's radar screen. (It's entirely possible the SS would have been satisfied he was harmless as well. Hindsight is always 20-20.)

Other than the fact that the CIA, FBI and SS dropped the ball, which everyone agrees is true, what is your point?

A suspected russian asset currently under FBI investigation as such ,with a documented history of criminal violence towards authority figures , criminal use of illegal firearms , being considered "harmless" enough to be sitting in a 6th floor snipers nest within spitting distance to the President ?
It takes some king-kong size giblets to own up the failure of 17 experienced FBI agents, the CIA & SS  to include in their possible threat list an individual with a documented history of criminal violence towards authority figures , criminal use of illegal firearms , and then call other people "conspiracy theorists "

You do concede there was a threat list of individuals shared between the FBI & SS for the Presidents visit to Dallas, as is standard procedure to this day don't you ?  Yes, No

[Watson Phillips]

"Documented violent history with firearms" - ?

Oswald's government documented conviction one for illegal possession and discharge of a firearm.
The other for his assault of a superior officer .

A criminal history of firearms & violent tendency  that investigating FBI Agent Hosty and any other federal law enforcement official with two brain cells to rub together would be well aware of and take into consideration in comprising their list of possible threats to be handed to the Secret Service Advance Team prior to the Presidents Dallas visit .
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"April 11, 1958 Court-Martial: Partly Printed Document. Two two-sided pages, 8" x 12.5", Atsugi Japan, April 11, 1958. Being the "Charge Sheet" which contains Oswald's typed information as the accused, as well as names of witnesses, information provided by commanding officers, Oswald's punishment, and other remarks. On October 27, 1957, Oswald accidentally shot himself in the left elbow with his personal .22 derringer. Possession of such a firearm was in direct violation of "a lawful general order... by having in his possession a privately-owned weapon that was not registered." Following a three-week stay at the Yokosuka Naval Hospital and various unrelated delays, Oswald's court-martial commenced on April 11, 1958, at which time Commanding Officer and Convening Authority Lt. Col. N.D. Glenn made his judgment. Oswald was demoted from private first class to private and ordered "To be confined at hard labor for 20 days, to forfeit $25.00 per month for two months and to be reduced to the grade of private... Approved and ordered executed, but the confinement at hard labor for twenty days is suspended for six months, at which time, unless the suspension is sooner vacated, the sentence to confinement at hard labor for twenty days will be remitted without further action."


June 24, 1958 Court-Martial: Partly Printed Document Signed. Two two-sided pages, 8" x 12.5", Atsugi Japan, June 24, 1958. This "Charge Sheet" contains Oswald's typed information as the accused, the names of witnesses, information provided by commanding officers, Oswald's punishment, and other remarks. Just two months after his first court-martial, Oswald was brought before a second military court on charges that he insulted and assaulted a superior officer."

[Watson Phillips]

After the assassination, Hoover ordered one of his top agents, James Gale, to review the FBI's surveillance of Oswald. Gale came back with a scathing review of the failure of the agents to adequately keep track of the Oswalds. Among other things: they completely failed to interview Marina; they took Oswald off the security indices list; and Hosty failed to interview Oswald after learning about Oswald's visit to Mexico City and his meeting with Soviet officials (Kostikov most notably) at the Embassy. And so on.

The FBI was simply not monitoring every move that Oswald made.

Mr. HOSTY. Yes; that is my recollection that we looked it [where Oswald was working] up in her telephone book to show it at 411 Elm Street, Dallas, Tex.


Are you saying the FBI did not have full knowledge that Oswald had a custom made snipers nest directly above the President's motorcade  as a fringe benefit of his daily employed presence at the school Book depository ?

That is a YES or a NO  by the way ?

[Dan O'meara]

[Watson Phillips]

And not one word that the Secret Service has been informed by the FBI that they knew a potential assassin would be sitting in Book depository's 6th floor Cat Bird seat .
The only reasonable conclusion being that is just the way the FBI wanted it .
There again if the CIA was up to speed on all this before they typed this letter it seems quite possible that the FBI were not the only ones that liked the way the table had been set