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Offline Mike Orr

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2018, 04:27:04 PM »
Fifty-four years after JFK's assassination, newly released classified documents state that the FBI reportedly lost Oswald's fingerprints that authorities lifted from the rifle found in the Texas School Book Depository after the President was assassinated in Dallas. According to documents, Dallas Police claimed they submitted the original fingerprints to the FBI, and those prints were never returned to the police. Now FBI files dated from July 1978 indicate the fingerprints are missing from the agency's vast archives. How convenient.

At the time of the investigation in 1963, agents and outside experts concluded that a palm print taken from the barrel of the rifle belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald. In "Faulty Evidence," author Michael T. Griffith reported that Dallas police claimed Oswald's prints had NOT been found on the weapon. When the FBI's Latona examined the Carcano on Nov. 23, he did not find Oswald's prints on the weapon. Moreover, Latona said the rifle's barrel did NOT look as though it had ever been processed for prints.
  No fingerprints were found on any of the three empty bullet shells found in the TSBD, or on the intact bullet. Nor were any prints found on the rifle clip that held the intact bullet and into which the shells must have been loaded by hand [ Warren Commission Hearings, Vol.4 pp.253, 258-60 ]

 www.newnationalist.net/2017/12/23/new-jfk-file-release-oswald-fingerprint-lifts-on-rifle-were-lost

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2018, 05:42:45 PM »
Fifty-four years after JFK's assassination, newly released classified documents state that the FBI reportedly lost Oswald's fingerprints that authorities lifted from the rifle found in the Texas School Book Depository after the President was assassinated in Dallas. According to documents, Dallas Police claimed they submitted the original fingerprints to the FBI, and those prints were never returned to the police. Now FBI files dated from July 1978 indicate the fingerprints are missing from the agency's vast archives. How convenient.

At the time of the investigation in 1963, agents and outside experts concluded that a palm print taken from the barrel of the rifle belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald. In "Faulty Evidence," author Michael T. Griffith reported that Dallas police claimed Oswald's prints had NOT been found on the weapon. When the FBI's Latona examined the Carcano on Nov. 23, he did not find Oswald's prints on the weapon. Moreover, Latona said the rifle's barrel did NOT look as though it had ever been processed for prints.
  No fingerprints were found on any of the three empty bullet shells found in the TSBD, or on the intact bullet. Nor were any prints found on the rifle clip that held the intact bullet and into which the shells must have been loaded by hand [ Warren Commission Hearings, Vol.4 pp.253, 258-60 ]

 www.newnationalist.net/2017/12/23/new-jfk-file-release-oswald-fingerprint-lifts-on-rifle-were-lost

Thanks for posting the link, Mike.....   But notice the deception  ( or outright lying)  used as the headline....

Newly Released JFK Files Indicate Evidence of Oswald’s Fingerprints on Rifle was ‘Lost’

You can bet the farm that if the lifts were actually the prints of Lee Oswald they wouldn't have been "lost"....

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #62 on: September 18, 2018, 09:07:55 PM »
What happened to Alyea's film?

Alyea's film.....Would someone please post a link to it?


Here's the problem....  Tom Alyea says that he watched as detective Day lifted prints ( that's PRINTS meaning more than one print)

We do have one print that was lifted from the wooden foregrip of a model 91/38 carcano rifle.  LBJ's cover up committee gave us that photo of the lifted print an it is identified as CE 634.  The also gave us a BS story about how CE 634 came to be.

Now to the crux of the matter....  Tom Alyea said that he saw AND FILMED detective Day lift PRINTS from the rifle....

Detective Day is on record as stating that he saw PRINTS on the rifle when he dusted the rifle for prints in the TSND at about 1:45 that afternoon.   Day said that he placed cellophane tape over the prints on the trigger guard to protect the prints until he could get to the police lab and examine the prints under better conditions.   However there are dozens of photos of detective Day carrying the carcano as he departs the TSBD with the carcano....and there is NO cellophane tape on the trigger guard of the rifle.

We do have FBI photos that were taken of the trigger guard (magazine) which show a small bit of someone's finger prints.   And those photos appear to show the remnants of prints that were left behind on the magazine  after someone lifted the major portion of the finger prints.

SO the question I have is:.....Was Tom Alyea correct when he said that he watched detective Day lift prints ( plural) from the carcano?   Did Day find prints that obviously were not Lee Harrrrvey Ossssswald's, who was the patsy and arch villain ??   

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #63 on: September 18, 2018, 09:40:55 PM »
Someone has been getting false information. Detective Day was the Dallas DPs fingerprint expert. The shells didn't have Oswald fingerprints on them but the M Carcano had Oswald palm print on the stock. This coincides with testimony given to the commission by Arnold Rowland who said that he saw a man holding a rifle with a scope on it about 15 minutes before the assassination took place in the sixth floor window
Not only did Oswald plant the M Carcano on the sixth floor he also ate his lunch on the sixth floor snipers nest. There was a brown paper lunch sack found in the snipers nest on the sixth floor. The FBI fingerprint expert Sebastian Latona' said that Oswald fingerprints were on the lunch sack. Later on during testimony. Bonnie Ray Williams claimed that the lunch sack belonged to him. He was lying. Jack Ruby paid Williams to lie to the Warren Commission. You can read Detective Day's testimony below. Day also took the photos of the snipers nest and w9as complaining that somebody moved some boxes and was tampering with the crime scene.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/day1.htm


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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #64 on: September 18, 2018, 09:41:21 PM »
Detective Day is on record as stating that he saw PRINTS on the rifle when he dusted the rifle for prints in the TSND at about 1:45 that afternoon.   Day said that he placed cellophane tape over the prints on the trigger guard to protect the prints until he could get to the police lab and examine the prints under better conditions.

This is false.  Day didn't say he put cellophane tape on anything at the TSBD.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #65 on: September 18, 2018, 09:42:49 PM »
The FBI fingerprint expert Sebastian Latona' said that Oswald fingerprints were on the lunch sack.

Cite, please.

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2018, 11:33:15 PM »
This is false.  Day didn't say he put cellophane tape on anything at the TSBD.

Did Detective Day tell the Cover up committee that he had placed cellophane tape over the prints to protect them AFTER he discovered them??

Have you seen Detective Day dusting the carcano behind the brightly sunlit window in the TSBD as he looks for prints on that carcano?   Do you believe that he did not see the prints on the Magazine  / trigger guard?     

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2018, 11:39:08 PM »
Did Detective Day tell the Cover up committee that he had placed cellophane tape over the prints to protect them AFTER he discovered them??

Yes, back at the station.  You claimed that "Day said that he placed cellophane tape over the prints on the trigger guard to protect the prints until he could get to the police lab and examine the prints under better conditions". Cite Day ever saying that.

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Have you seen Detective Day dusting the carcano behind the brightly sunlit window in the TSBD as he looks for prints on that carcano?   

Yes, but I haven't seen Detective Day putting tape on anything or lifting prints.

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2018, 11:50:10 PM »
This is false.  Day didn't say he put cellophane tape on anything at the TSBD.

When Did Day discover the prints??   Did He say that he covered them with cellophane tape after he discovered them?   Did Tom Alyea say that he saw Day using cellophane tape in the TSBD at about 1:45 that afternoon?

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #69 on: September 19, 2018, 04:18:57 AM »
Someone has been getting false information. 
The FBI fingerprint expert Sebastian Latona' said that Oswald fingerprints were on the lunch sack.
   
Latona mentions nothing about a lunch sack in his testimony.
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Jack Ruby paid Williams to lie to the Warren Commission. 
Maybe he gave him a gun?

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« Reply #69 on: September 19, 2018, 04:18:57 AM »