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Offline Steve Thomas

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Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« on: March 15, 2018, 04:53:43 PM »
Were Lee Harvey Oswald's fingerprints - more specfically his thumbprint - found on the live shell in the chamber of the rifle that was found?

I don't know if fingerprints on a shell are obliterated by the act of firing the gun, but they should still be on the unfired bullet wouldn't they? I don't know much about loading bullets into a clip, but don't you have to press down on the bullet to get it into the clip?
Wouldn't his thumprint still be on it?

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2018, 09:37:25 PM »
Were Lee Harvey Oswald's fingerprints - more specfically his thumbprint - found on the live shell in the chamber of the rifle that was found?

I don't know if fingerprints on a shell are obliterated by the act of firing the gun, but they should still be on the unfired bullet wouldn't they? I don't know much about loading bullets into a clip, but don't you have to press down on the bullet to get it into the clip?
Wouldn't his thumprint still be on it?

Steve Thomas

I don't know if fingerprints on a shell are obliterated by the act of firing the gun, but they should still be on the unfired bullet wouldn't they?

My experience is the firing of the cartridge actually burns any print onto the brass shell....  Firing the shell with a finger print on it makes the print more visible.   And Captain Fritz picked up the live round after it FELL OUT (not ejected)  onto the floor at his feet....so he would have obscured any prints that might have been on the live round, when he picked it up.

I don't know much about loading bullets into a clip, but don't you have to press down on the bullet to get it into the clip? Wouldn't his thumprint still be on it?

Good thinking.... but loading the clip of cartridges wouldn't necessarily  cause prints to be deposited ......It depends on how carefully the person loaded the clip.  ( the fact that there were no prints on any of the shells indicates that Lee Oswald was not the person who handled them.  Lee would have known that a blind man could have traced the rifle to him. and since that's true, then there would have been no reason to wipe his prints off any of the shells or the rifle.
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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2018, 11:01:18 PM »
Article I have found says that investigator Walt Brown in 1998 found the fingerprint of Malcolm Wallace on the 6th floor.


 http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwallaceM.htm

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2018, 11:08:30 PM »
Article I have found says that investigator Walt Brown in 1998 found the fingerprint of Malcolm Wallace on the 6th floor.


 http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwallaceM.htm

As of Sept 1964, there wasn't an unidentified fingerprint that had been found on the 6th floor. There was an unidentified palm print.

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2018, 11:12:00 PM »
I have heard that from other people on here as well. Link to the article that says that, please?

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2018, 11:21:02 PM »
I have heard that from other people on here as well. Link to the article that says that, please?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11902#relPageId=20&tab=page

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2018, 03:02:53 AM »
After dissembling the MC and placing it in the paper bag, Oswald reassembled it in the SN and didn't get a single print on the stock, barrel, trigger, clip, ammo or scope. The FBI resorted to getting a palm print on the stock post-mortem. You do the math. How was that possible?

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2018, 03:06:37 AM »
After dissembling the MC and placing it in the paper bag, Oswald reassembled it in the SN and didn't get a single print on the stock, barrel, trigger, clip, ammo or scope. The FBI resorted to getting a palm print on the stock post-mortem. You do the math. How was that possible?

It wasn't possible. It never happened. The palm print was lifted off of the barrel by Carl Day on Nov 22.

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Offline Zeon Wasinsky

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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2018, 05:28:02 AM »
one palm print on box  ::)

he lifted and placed box with just one bare hand I guess lolz

But he made sure not leave any fingerprints on the other big box underneath nor on the box carefully balanced precariously on the window ledge.

They didn't bother dust window frame, even though Arnold Rowland said when saw the black man at 12:25 pm there, that the window was almost half open, which means if BRW didn't lower window, that the shooter MUST have, and so touched it with bare hands if its Oswald who didn't have gloves. Dusting that window could have proved somebody else lowered it, not Oswald, SO DONT MESS WITH IT.. because LBJ made phone call to Fritz and the case is cinched so avoid any possibility of other prints being found

there were no fingerprints found on the boxes where rifle wedge between, nor  any Oswald fingerprints found on the 2nd floor lunchroom door or the outer vestibule door, nor on the door of the 2nd floor office that Oswald alledgedly opened and seen by Mrs Reid, nor on the exit door Oswald exited office from.

the coke, that Oswald had in hand, where it went who knows, there was one Dr.Pepper bottle found on the 6th floor and another bottle found on the front entrance steps of TSBD none them had any fingerprints. Nor the chicken bone bag.

So fingerprints on this day of Nov 22 1963 were only l found  to support the WC preconceived theory Oswald did it, and any other fingerprint areas not tested, or fingerprints like one that matches Malcolm Wallace with 37 pts, not mentioned. Or any other items with other prints not investigated whose those prints belonged too.

Were there any prints at the Tippet shooting scene from Oswald. No, none found. No prints on those bullets Oswald supposedly took out the pistol one by one with his bare fingers tossing them on the ground. None found on the side of Tippets right side car door where Oswald placed his hands according to Markam witness.

No fingerprints on that bus transfer ticket eithe from McWatters the bus driver who had to cut it  and hand it to Oswald, nor any of Oswalds, who had to take it from McWatters with a bare hand, and place it in his shirt pocket.

No fiingprints apperently taken from front door of Oswalds boarding house.

Where there Oswalds fingerprints on the entrance door of the Texas Theater? They didnt bother try dusting that door.

What about the front door of TSBD or the read door of TSBD? Any attempt to dust those doors for prints. No.

What about the Domino room? any attempt dust for Oswalds prints there, or in the 2nd floor lunchroom where Carolyn Arnold said he was sitting at table eathing his lunch. No. Why bother, the idea is Oswald is GUILTY.. dont mess that up.

Butch Burroughs said sold popcorn to Oswald. Did they attempt find popcorn box and dust for prints.. NO. because if they had and they found Oswalds prints, then Burroughs gives Oswald alibi of being in the Theater between 1:00 and !:07pm.

Any attempt made to find the ticket stubs and see if any had Oswald prints cause he might actually bought a ticket from the ticket girl and why shes very upset and confused when exactly she saw Oswald. Maybe a fingerprint on ticketstub would have proved Oswald bought ticket at 1:00pm. So DONT LOOK THERE, dont want mess up the He DONE it WC theory.

What about William Wallys taxi cab? Any prints Oswald found on door? Did they bother attempt dust the door? No.

Any prints on the bus door of McWatters bus that Oswald supposedly pounded on with his fist?
No. No one thought to dust door for prints. Or the seat Oswald sat in on the bus. Any fibers from his jacket brown shirt on the seat?

What about foot prints. Any footprints found at Tippet scene linked ot Oswalds shoes? anywhere from the TSBD SN 6th floor to his eventual capture at Theater, any shoe prints found. No.

And shoe prints on front floorboard of Wallys taxi matching Oswalds shoe? uh no, didnt bother with that.

Any found in Brewers store. Oswald prints on the entrance door he had to open twice?
No.













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Re: Oswald fingerprints on the live shell?
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2018, 08:31:03 AM »
Were Lee Harvey Oswald's fingerprints - more specfically his thumbprint - found on the live shell in the chamber of the rifle that was found?

I don't know if fingerprints on a shell are obliterated by the act of firing the gun, but they should still be on the unfired bullet wouldn't they? I don't know much about loading bullets into a clip, but don't you have to press down on the bullet to get it into the clip?
Wouldn't his thumprint still be on it?

Steve Thomas

Were Lee Harvey Oswald's fingerprints - more specfically his thumbprint - found on the live shell in the chamber of the rifle that was found?

I don't know if fingerprints on a shell are obliterated by the act of firing the gun, but they should still be on the unfired bullet wouldn't they? I don't know much about loading bullets into a clip, but don't you have to press down on the bullet to get it into the clip?
Wouldn't his thumprint still be on it?

Steve Thomas

I guess I should have looked this ahead of time:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/day1.htm

Mr. DAY. That is the live round that fell from the rifle when Captain Fritz opened the bolt.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do with this after you put your name on it?
Mr. DAY. Captain Fritz took possession of it. I retained possession of the rifle.
Mr. BELIN. Did you process this live round at all for prints?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir; I did. I did not find any prints.

How is this possible?

Mr. BELIN. How did you try to process the live round for prints?
Mr. DAY. With black fingerprint powder.

Mr. DAY. After ejecting the live round, then I gave my attention to the rifle.

When was this live round dusted for prints?
In his Report, Day wrote:

Mr. DAY. "When bolt opened one live round was in the barrel. No prints are on the live round. Captain Fritz and Lieutenant Day opened the barrel. Captain Fritz has the live round.

So, neither Oswald's, nor Fritz's prints were on the live round.

How did Fritz handle this piece of evidence? Did he put it in an evidence bag? Did he put it in his pocket?


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