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Online Royell Storing

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #497 on: February 17, 2025, 01:32:14 PM »
I took a look at another copy of the Betzner 3 photograph. In this version, it appears that we can see some of the details in the shadows that are not visible in the darker version we have been posting and looking at. What seemed to me to be the right side of his face in the darker version now appears to be his right fist and the back of his head appears to be resting on it. In this version, we can see how his right arm (bent elbow) appears to be resting on the back of the back seat. If I am seeing things correctly this time, it appears to me that we can see his left ear and a sliver of the left side of his face. If so, this makes it appear that he is looking in the direction of JFK.



I am not immune to the influence of my imagination in the phenomenon of “seeing what we want to see” in interpreting some of these grainy old photos. But I do now believe that Bennett is looking towards JFK in this photo. What do y’all think?

   "What do y'all think?". You need to look at more of these badly degraded images from 11/22/63. You need practice and patience. You take what you think you see and knee jerk with it. It's like hitting a curve ball. You can Not jump at it. Take your time and let it come to you. You're falling all over yourself to determine the position of the Queen Mary in the Betzner photo, when ALL you gotta do is judge the position of the vehicle based on the LARGE Elm Street Lane Stripe. In short, you over complicate things to the point of disregarding the obvious directly in front of you. There is truth to, "If it had been a snake, it woulda bit you".
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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #498 on: February 17, 2025, 02:23:01 PM »
   "What do y'all think?". You need to look at more of these badly degraded images from 11/22/63. You need practice and patience. You take what you think you see and knee jerk with it. It's like hitting a curve ball. You can Not jump at it. Take your time and let it come to you. You're falling all over yourself to determine the position of the Queen Mary in the Betzner photo, when ALL you gotta do is judge the position of the vehicle based on the LARGE Elm Street Lane Stripe. In short, you over complicate things to the point of disregarding the obvious directly in front of you. There is truth to, "If it had been a snake, it woulda bit you".

I’m not the one arguing with you over the position of the Queen Mary. And my question is regarding which direction Bannett is looking. Anyway, here is the position on the Roberdeau map showing the Queen Mary, and Betzner’s camera’s field of view (yellow highlighted, excluding the left side that is obscured by the man).




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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #499 on: February 17, 2025, 11:45:55 PM »
I’m not the one arguing with you over the position of the Queen Mary. And my question is regarding which direction Bannett is looking. Anyway, here is the position on the Roberdeau map showing the Queen Mary, and Betzner’s camera’s field of view (yellow highlighted, excluding the left side that is obscured by the man).



Your diagram is a very close match to the Mark Tyler mapping program at Z186


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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #500 on: February 18, 2025, 12:46:47 AM »
Your diagram is a very close match to the Mark Tyler mapping program at Z186


There is a noticeable difference in the position of Betzner between the Mark Tyler and Roberdeau maps.  Betzner was closer to the corner and to the curb than Roberdeau has him.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #501 on: February 18, 2025, 01:15:28 AM »

Is it just a coincidence that Secret Service Agent George Hickey, sitting up high on the other side of the car, is leaning over and looking at the pavement at this point (Z-149), given the fact that he reported later that he thought he'd heard a firecracker and seen its remnants float down there?

Can you tell us where Hickey said that about seeing what he thought was a firecracker down there? I read his report and didn’t it that in his report.

As luck would have it I can't seem to find that statement at the moment; will keep trying to locate it.

In the meantime, take a look at Hickey's (blurred) head in Z-190 and note how far he's leaned over to look at the pavement. Please note that he'd started leaning over and looking down by at least Z-149.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2025, 01:39:57 AM by Tom Mahon »

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #502 on: February 18, 2025, 02:05:53 AM »
As luck would have it I can't seem to find that statement at the moment; will keep trying to locate it.

How are you going to locate something that doesn't exist?
Hickey never made any such statement. This is from his report on the 22nd

I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything.

This is from his report on the 30th:

After a very short distance I heard a loud report which sounded like a firecracker…I stood up and looked to my right and rear in an attempt to identify it

You shouldn't make things up. It just shows how desperate you are.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #503 on: February 18, 2025, 03:43:43 AM »
How are you going to locate something that doesn't exist?
Hickey never made any such statement. This is from his report on the 22nd

I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything.

This is from his report on the 30th:

After a very short distance I heard a loud report which sounded like a firecracker…I stood up and looked to my right and rear in an attempt to identify it

You shouldn't make things up. It just shows how desperate you are.

What was he looking down at from around Z-149 to Z-190, Little Man?
« Last Edit: February 18, 2025, 07:40:52 AM by Tom Mahon »