Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Tom Graves]

Your defense of their pointless study is that they didn't use Bennett?

Roselle and Scearce couldn't use Bennett in their fine study because, although we can see him looking sharply to his right in Z-135, z-136, 137, and (most clearly) in Z-138, and we can see him looking straight ahead by Z-142, and we can see him tilt his head to his right to see around Powers from about Z-144-on, we can't see him in Z-133 or Z-134 due to the sprocket hole, so we don't know if he started looking sharply to his right in response to hearing the first shot or if he was already looking in that direction before the first shot rang out. The important thing is that he started tilting his head to his right to see around Powers to see if JFK was okay around Z-147, i.e., about 1.25 seconds after Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124." The time interval of 1.25 seconds (or slightly shorter) suggests that Bennett was already looking sharply to his right while "scanning the crowd," and that his turning his head and starting to look straight ahead by Z-142 was his conscious (i.e., non-"startle") reaction to the sounds of the first shot.   


Post a blow-up of the Z-frame you believe shows Bennett looking round Powers, because I don't see it.

Google "Costella Combined Edit" and go to Z-150 for a pretty clear one.

You're welcome, btw.


All three men [Landis, Ready and Hickey] state they turned to their right rear as a response to the first shot.

That's what their confused recollections told them to say, but when they say they turned around to the rear, they're obviously referring to what they did in response to the second shot, i.e., the one around Z-222.

Ready, however, gives us a clue that they were all wittingly or unwittingly referring to the second shot when he wrote (as you so kindly posted, above), "I heard what appeared to be firecrackers [plural] going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear [after the second "firecracker"] trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location."

You do realize, don't you, that Altgens-6 equates to Z-255, 1.80 seconds after JFK and JBC were wounded by Oswald's second bullet, CE-399?


All three men are shown turned to their right rear in Altgens-6.

Correct.


The Z-film does not show this movement.

Correct, because by Z-200, i.e., 1.2 seconds before the second shot and 3 seconds before Altgens-6, the pertinent people (your Landis, Ready and Hickey) in the Secret Service follow-up car were no longer in the frame.

D'oh!

[Zeon Mason]

That overhead view Andrew Mason posted of how JC was oriented is an improbable position imo because:

A. Its unclear how the expensive Stetson hat in the right hand would be held if the right forearm is so close to the side door so as not to smush/ deform the hat which presumably JC would not wish to have happen to his iconic hat.

B. It’s doubtful JC would have been willing to twist his upper body almost 90 degree relative to legs because that would be likely very uncomfortable for an older man. The more comfortable position would be that JC legs are both turned approx 45 degree towards the right side door and that his right hand was holding his hat upside down with the well of the hat on the outside of his left leg. This position allow a bullet the go thru the wrist bone and into the inner thigh of the left leg without having to pass thru the well of the hat. And also with both legs already 45 degree angle then the upper torso twist would be much less effort.

Then there is the way the bullet that went thru JC exited from his right side of his chest and went thru the top of his right wrist bone without having passed thru the hat given that the Z film
Frames show that JC was gripping the hat upside down when he is reacting at Z226-230 ish  from either having heard or being hit by, the 1st shot (heard) it  at Z224 ( or at Z190 if Andrew’s theory)

As far this 10.2 sec shot spread idea, it’s 6 seconds longer than what the closest ear witness Harold Norman demonstrated with his boom click click sequence which is only about 4 seconds in duration.

[Charles Collins]

I believe that this is Agent Bennett looking back towards the western end of the TSBD in Betzner’s photo at about Z186.



I haven’t found another photo that shows he or any of the other agents looking back behind them (except during the shots on Elm Street). They are trained to scan the crowd and areas that they are approaching and adjacent to.

[Andrew Mason]

It's too bad Roselle and Scearce didn't include Secret Service agent Glen Bennett in their study.

You remember him, don't you?

He's the guy who was sitting behind Dave Powers (who was sitting on the passenger-side jump seat) in the follow-up car and who said he heard what he thought was a firecracker (i.e., Oswald's first, missing-everything shot) after the limo turned onto Elm Street. He said he looked to his right and then straight ahead and that he saw a bullet** strike JFK "about four inches below his right shoulder."

Remember?

Well, why don't you take another "close look" at the Zapruder film and determine in which frame Agent Bennett starts leaning his head to his right to get a good view of JFK around Powers?

Hmm?

To refresh your memory, this is what Bennett wrote:

"At this point I heard what sounded like a firecracker. I immediately looked from the right/crowd/physical area/and looked towards the President who was seated in the right rear seat of his limousine open convertible. At the moment I looked at the back of the President I heard another firecracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder."

*Today's SVR and FSB

**CE-399, which wounded both JFK and JBC

SS Agent Glen Bennett is turned around looking back and upwards towards the TSBD in Betzner’s photo taken at approximately Z186.



Bennett was cited by the WC as a witness for the first shot missing JFK.  But he was never called by the WC and this is unfortunate  because he gave a statement on 23Nov63 that is different from his original notes taken at the time on 22Nov63. His original notes (CE1024 at 18H542) state:

• "At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed fire cracker, looked at the Boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head."

[Tom Graves]

SS Agent Glen Bennett is turned around looking back and upwards towards the TSBD in Betzner’s photo taken at approximately Z186.



Bennett was cited by the WC as a witness for the first shot missing JFK.  But he was never called by the WC and this is unfortunate  because he gave a statement on 23Nov63 that is different from his original notes taken at the time on 22Nov63. His original notes (CE1024 at 18H542) state:

• "At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed fire cracker, looked at the Boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head."

Any theories as to why Bennett, looking straight ahead between Z frames 140 and 143, begins tilting his head to his right in Z-144 while Hickey, on the other side of the car, starts looking down at the pavement in Z-149?

If you will google "Costella Combined Edit" and click on frame Z-188, you'll see that just 1/9 of a second after Betzner's photo, Bennett is still leaning far to his right but "now" looking straight ahead!

Hmm.

PS  Do you really think Bennett is looking towards the TSBD in Betzner's photo?

[Tom Graves]

I believe that this is Agent Bennett looking back towards the western end of the TSBD in Betzner’s photo at about Z186.



I haven’t found another photo that shows he or any of the other agents looking back behind them (except during the shots on Elm Street). They are trained to scan the crowd and areas that they are approaching and adjacent to.

I think he's looking at the crowd, not the TSBD.

[Andrew Mason]

Any theories as to why Bennett, looking straight ahead between Z frames 140 and 143, begins tilting his head to his right in Z-144 while Hickey, on the other side of the car, starts looking down at the pavement in Z-149?

If you will google "Costella Combined Edit" and click on frame Z-188, you'll see that just 1/9 of a second after Betzner's photo, Bennett is still leaning far to his right but "now" looking straight ahead!

Hmm.

PS  Do you really think Bennett is looking towards the TSBD in Betzner's photo?

Bennett is in the rear seat on the right side sitting down.  He is behind the two agents on the right running board and can’t be seen in z188 or any of those frames.

At z186 the TSBD is to the right of the car.  If he is looking sideways 90 degrees or more he is looking at the TSBD.