The Palmprint

[Richard Smith]

It’s difficult to understand why Oswald would not have used gloves while disassembling the 2 main rifle parts , barrel and wooden stock which he then supposedly made a paper  bag approx 36” in length to carry the rifle in BW Fraziers car and then into TSBD.

For some reason Oswald WAS able to not leave several other prints on the paper when he was ripping it off the roll at TSBD and folding up the paper to hide it in his jacket (or somewhere) when he went home with BW Frazier on Thursday afternoon and when he MADE the bag using tape( either in TSBD Thursday or at home Friday).

Then strangely Oswald was able to grip the top of his paper bag with just one hand pressing his hand & fingers hard enough to carry the 8lb package swinging it along just a few inches off the ground (perLinnie May Randle) yet leave no multi finger or palm print there at the top of the bag.

When Oswald was placing the package in the back seat of BW Fraziers car and when he lifted it out again , for some reason, no additional prints indicating that action were found on the bag either.

All that was found was one small partial print of one finger near the top of the bag and one palm print with some fingers in the middle  of the bag.

Then when Oswald was supposedly assembling the MC rifle in the TSBD on Friday Nov22/63, (the 7th floor most likely) he did not care to use gloves then either? Was he just unable to realize how touching the barrel with his bare hand might very well leave a print?

Then he did not  use any gloves while he was firing the rifle (allegedly) from the SE 6th floor TSBD window.

Yet SUDDENLY, just after firing the last shot Oswald DID apparently realize that he was not wearing gloves and so he began wiping off the rifle as he was running with it at double time speed (8ft/sec) so that he would not have to waste another 10 secs or more when he stopped at the boxes near the staircase ( off all places 🤔 …to hide the rifle?

This is what the official WC report wants us to believe. The problem is it seems just too incredible that a man with a fairly high IQ and ability to speak fluent Russian, could be this inept.

Therefore in the  anomaly of Lt.Day vs Drain concerning the finding of a palm print on the barrel , when taken together with all the other anomalies, it has to be more than just negligence/ miscommunication , hence why some of us remain skeptical of the WC conclusions.

The old argument that the evidence is so conclusive of Oswald's guilt that he must be innocent.  Do you think that if Oswald had worn gloves that he would have gotten away with the assassination of the president?  Oswald accepted his death or arrest as part of the calculation as to whether to commit this act.  He decided to do it knowing that meant he would die or be arrested.   Don't deprive him of the one act in his life for which he was successful.

[Charles Collins]

Anyone can underline a few words and say just look at these words and no others.
Let's have another look at the relevant passage from the report, this time let's look at the whole thing rather than the section you would like to emphasise:

“… Two fingerprints were found on the side of the rifle near the trigger and magazine housing and a palm print was found on the underside of the gun barrel near the end of the stock. It appeared probable that these prints were from the right palm and fingers of Lee Harvey Oswald, but the rifle was released to the Federal Bureau of Investigation to be sent to Washington, D.C. before the examination was completed and positive identification of the prints could be made. …”


The report states that the print was probably Oswald's but a positive identification couldn't be made because the rifle had to be released to the FBI.
This is not twisting any words or jumping to any conclusions.

"It appeared probable that these prints were from...Oswald, but the rifle was released to the [FBI]...before...positive identification of the prints could be made."

As usual, you are in denial. You always are.

In his report Day makes no mention of the lifted palmprint, he makes no mention that he keeps the lifted palmprint instead of handing it over to Drain along with "all other evidence collected by the Crime Scene Search."
He makes no mention of using the lifted palmprint to make a positive identification of the assassin of the President of the United States. Supposedly, exactly the same print that Latona DID make a positive ID of Oswald from.

Why couldn't Day make the identification from the lifted palmprint? He had days to make it, he had Oswald's prints and he had the lifted palmprint. Why couldn't he make the identification?

The excuse you always come up with is exactly the same excuse Day uses in his report - the reason Day couldn't make a positive identification of the palmprint is because he was asked to stop processing the rifle.
It's a crazy excuse that makes zero sense.
IF HE HAD THE LIFTED PALMPRINT HE COULD'VE USED THAT TO MAKE AN IDENTIFICATION.
Day did not need the rifle to make the identification so the excuse that he couldn't make a positive identification because he had to give the rifle to the FBI is insane.


Day reports that he only mentioned the palmprint to Curry and Fritz. He makes no mention of Rusty and the boys "concurring" with him.
Day states that he alone worked on the print. He gives the distinct impression it was some kind of big secret and not the most important piece of evidence linking Oswald to the crime.
Day is also clear that he specifically showed Drain where the print and the powder was and "warned" him about how this most important piece of evidence should be transported. Once again, Day's description of events seems at odds with Rusty's.

Of course, Fritz never confirms that Day told him about the palmprint.
The very next day Curry is bemoaning the lack of print evidence, clearly unaware that Day has told him anything.
And Drain flatly denies Day ever mentioned it to him.
It's almost as if Day never told Curry, Fritz or Drain about the palmprint.


It appears to me that Day’s words simply did not stick in Drain’s memory.

When the rifle reached Latona, a few hours after Day had handed it over, there was no palmprint on the rifle. There was no black powder on the rifle. Where did it go Charles?
Why did Day use black powder on a dark surface, and not grey powder as everyone in fingerprinting is taught?
Why didn't Day photograph the print before trying to lift it? This is fingerprinting 101.
Why didn't Day protect the exposed palmprint like he did with the smears on the magazine housing?
Why doesn't anyone remember Day telling them about the palmprint?
Why didn't he use the lifted palmprint to identify the assassin of the President?
Why did he just put the lifted palmprint in his drawer and leave it there?
Why wasn't the palmprint mentioned by anyone until the evening of the 24th, after Oswald was dead?

There are so many more things to get into regarding how suspicious this issue is. It shouldn't be possible to ask a single one of the above questions if basic procedure had been followed. Day is clearly not telling the truth on some issues, he makes contradictory statements on others that should be straight-forward.
And make no mistake, not a single one of the issues raised above was dealt with at any point.
Not a single one of these questions were ever satisfactorily answered.

The report states that the print was probably Oswald's but a positive identification couldn't be made because the rifle had to be released to the FBI.
This is not twisting any words or jumping to any conclusions.

It most certainly is twisting words and jumping to conclusions. First, your false premise: Day’s report does not say that positive ID couldn’t be made. That is apparently your unsupported (jumped to) conclusion.  Therefore any assumption/jumping to conclusions/twisting of words regarding reasons why (or because) it couldn’t be made simply do not apply or make any sense whatsoever.
Day was ordered to stop his processing and turn the rifle over to the FBI. Day followed his orders. Going from memory, Day did not work on Saturday 11/23/63. On Sunday 11/24/63 I believe that Day was busy annd involved in further processing of the sixth floor of the TSBD. When news came to Day of the death of LHO on Sunday he knew that there could be no trial for a dead man. The rifle had been returned to the DPD on Sunday 11/24/63. However the box containing the rifle was never opened by Day and the DPD. It soon went back to the FBI along with the palm print.


Why couldn't Day make the identification from the lifted palmprint? He had days to make it, he had Oswald's prints and he had the lifted palmprint. Why couldn't he make the identification?


Again, no one said that Day couldn’t. That is your false premise as I indicated above.


IF HE HAD THE LIFTED PALMPRINT HE COULD'VE USED THAT TO MAKE AN IDENTIFICATION.
Day did not need the rifle to make the identification so the excuse that he couldn't make a positive identification because he had to give the rifle to the FBI is insane.

I agree. However, you keep making that insane allegation. Again, your false premise is that Day couldn’t make the ID as I explained above.

[Dan O'meara]

The report states that the print was probably Oswald's but a positive identification couldn't be made because the rifle had to be released to the FBI.
This is not twisting any words or jumping to any conclusions.

It most certainly is twisting words and jumping to conclusions. First, your false premise: Day’s report does not say that positive ID couldn’t be made. That is apparently your unsupported (jumped to) conclusion.  Therefore any assumption/jumping to conclusions/twisting of words regarding reasons why (or because) it couldn’t be made simply do not apply or make any sense whatsoever.
Day was ordered to stop his processing and turn the rifle over to the FBI. Day followed his orders. Going from memory, Day did not work on Saturday 11/23/63. On Sunday 11/24/63 I believe that Day was busy annd involved in further processing of the sixth floor of the TSBD. When news came to Day of the death of LHO on Sunday he knew that there could be no trial for a dead man. The rifle had been returned to the DPD on Sunday 11/24/63. However the box containing the rifle was never opened by Day and the DPD. It soon went back to the FBI along with the palm print.


Why couldn't Day make the identification from the lifted palmprint? He had days to make it, he had Oswald's prints and he had the lifted palmprint. Why couldn't he make the identification?


Again, no one said that Day couldn’t. That is your false premise as I indicated above.


IF HE HAD THE LIFTED PALMPRINT HE COULD'VE USED THAT TO MAKE AN IDENTIFICATION.
Day did not need the rifle to make the identification so the excuse that he couldn't make a positive identification because he had to give the rifle to the FBI is insane.

I agree. However, you keep making that insane allegation. Again, your false premise is that Day couldn’t make the ID as I explained above.

 

Let's have a closer look at my "insane allegation".
This is the relevant section of the report:

“… Two fingerprints were found on the side of the rifle near the trigger and magazine housing and a palm print was found on the underside of the gun barrel near the end of the stock. It appeared probable that these prints were from the right palm and fingers of Lee Harvey Oswald, but the rifle was released to the Federal Bureau of Investigation to be sent to Washington, D.C. before the examination was completed and positive identification of the prints could be made. …”

I think it is correct to say that this report is saying the following:

It appeared probable the palmprint was Oswald's but the rifle was released to the FBI before a positive identification of the prints could be made.

It is saying that a positive identification of the prints wasn't made BECAUSE the rifle was released to the FBI.

Do you agree with this interpretation or not?
If not, why not.

[Charles Collins]

Let's have a closer look at my "insane allegation".
This is the relevant section of the report:

“… Two fingerprints were found on the side of the rifle near the trigger and magazine housing and a palm print was found on the underside of the gun barrel near the end of the stock. It appeared probable that these prints were from the right palm and fingers of Lee Harvey Oswald, but the rifle was released to the Federal Bureau of Investigation to be sent to Washington, D.C. before the examination was completed and positive identification of the prints could be made. …”

I think it is correct to say that this report is saying the following:

It appeared probable the palmprint was Oswald's but the rifle was released to the FBI before a positive identification of the prints could be made.

It is saying that a positive identification of the prints wasn't made BECAUSE the rifle was released to the FBI.

Do you agree with this interpretation or not?
If not, why not.

No, because it doesn’t say that.

[Michael Capasse]

No, because it doesn’t say that.

That is exactly what it says.
Interpret what it says otherwise.

[Zeon Mason]

So we are supposed to believe that Day had this print lifted before he released the rifle to Drain but that Day told ONLY Drain and NO ONE ELSE about having lifted this print ?

Are we supposed to believe Day when he said he could still see some of the print left on the barrel AFTER he made the lift, yet the FBI couldn’t find that remnant of print when they dusted the rifle?

Why was not a note affixed to the rifle about the print being found?

It stinks about as bad as the SS having a HQ with window overlooking the roof top that Crooks was crawling slowly up before taking shots at Trump, and the SS saw nothing?

It’s a weird parallel  with  Crooks and Oswald being KOOKs who were able to find the unsecured building closest to their targets even though SS and police were all over the place and did not spot them.

Yet it took Oswald 3 shots to hit JFK as close as only 50 yds away and not farther than 100 yds and Crooks  could not even hit a stationary large 6’3” x 1’8” target at 130 yds firing a semi auto rifle and taking 7-8 shots.

Me thinks the explanation is that when KOOKs are the assassins their state of mind being totally demented interferes with their ability to concentrate and aim accurately.

It also makes me reconsider MK ultra and if these KOOKs were being psychologically prepared and or hypnotic suggestion to be fixated on a particular person and the buildings were purposely left unsecured with a probability of expectation by their handlers that the KOOKS would likely perform if the target was presented to them as a sitting duck at close range.

[Dan O'meara]

No, because it doesn’t say that.

Yes it does.
That's how the English language works.
Your insane interpretation of what you want it to say is irrelevant.

It appeared probable the palmprint was Oswald's but the rifle was released to the FBI before a positive identification of the prints could be made.

It is blaming the lack of a positive identification of the probable prints on the fact the rifle was taken away.
That's what is being said.
If you think the English language works in a different way, let's hear it.
Let's hear your interpretation of this passage.