The 3 Minute Lie

[Dan O'meara]

How does what Harkness, Sawyer and Barnett testified contradict what I've been posting?
 
This is a relief. I thought you had been stupidly posting that Shelley and Lovelady had actually sprinted to the elevator area immediately after the shots were fired. That in some bizarre fashion that Calvery had sprinted to the steps and told them JFK had been shot and this information was now the key to understanding this sudden revelation. That Shelley and Lovelady had been seen standing near the elevator by Adams and Styles before Truly and Baker ran up the stairs to the second-floor encounter with Oswald. 

Obviously, you are now indicating you have not been stating that at all. Instead because of the testimonies of Harkness, Swayer, and Barnett you now believe Adams and Styles had left the fourth floor later than they thought. Welcome back to reality Dan. We have missed you.

Originally, I thought you posted this as an obvious meaningless dodge to not address the obvious problems with this whole ridiculous storyline, but now I can see, like a cry for help, you are sincerely wanting to better your understanding of the assassination. Congratulations, glad I could help you.

You're clearly having the meltdown I was worried about.
I'll try the question again:

How does what Harkness, Sawyer and Barnett testified contradict what I've been posting?

Please take your meds and have a nap before trying to answer the question old-timer.

[Dan O'meara]

It is not clear from the excerpts you have provided that they are saying that Gloria Calvery came up to them when they were on the steps.

This is simply not true.
The WC testimonies of both men are unequivocal - they were on the steps at the time of the shooting and didn't leave the steps until after the encounter with Gloria. It is only once they leave the steps that they see Truly and Baker still outside the TSBD building. There is no other way to interpret their testimonies.
It is utterly dishonest of you to insinuate otherwise.

That might be an inference one could draw, were it not for their earlier statements where they made it clear that they crossed Elm immediately after the shots and met Calvery.

Firstly, this is not the first time you have made the dishonest claim that both men made earlier statements that they crossed Elm immediately after the shots and met Gloria. Lovelady never made any such claim and it's dishonest of you to keep asserting he did.
And it is really bizarre to suggest that, because Shelley stated in his affidavit on the day of the assassination that he ran across Elm and met Gloria, when he completely changes his story in his WC testimony we are meant to ignore it because of his earlier statement!!
Shelley and Lovelady are lying about their movements after the assassination, that is what the 3 Minute Lie is part of. Shelley's change of story is yet another indication of the lies he is telling. Instead, you try to use it as a way to interpret his WC testimony in a way that suits you! Could there be a more dishonest approach to the evidence?
I don't think so.

Their earlier statements.  They described going across Elm trying to see the President's car but it sped away under the triple underpass.  They described then going to the rail yards and then going back along the west side of the building and entering the back door by the rear loading dock.

Shelley and Lovelady are lying about their movements after the assassination.
It's why their stories keep changing from statement to statement.
The 3 Minute Lie is proven to be a lie by the Darnell footage, the Truly/Baker time trials and the testimonies/statements of Baker, Truly, Adams, Styles, Garner, Molina and Pauline Sanders.
You're assertion, that Adams lied in her testimony, is based solely on the statements/testimonies of Shelley and Lovelady, two proven liars.
This is good enough for you and Nutters like you but not for anyone looking honestly at this issue.
Personally, I would be ashamed at the dishonest tactics you have to resort to, but for you it seems like it's just another day at the office.

[Dan O'meara]

While Jack takes a nap I'd like to have a closer look at this claim I made in an earlier post:

I think Gloria saw JFK's head explode and ran as fast as she could back to the TSBD building.
She had about 140 ft to cover. Let's say she was running at a modest 6mph, she could have covered that distance in 16 seconds. I think it was probably quicker than that.
I think she reached the TSBD steps before Baker got there.
She was stood at the steps, telling Lovelady and others about the shooting, when Baker arrived.
Shelley was stood at the bottom of the steps having just returned from "that little, old island" across the Elm Street extension.
This whole scenario was captured by Darnell:



The woman in white is dressed very distinctively, a white headscarf and dress. she appears to be linking arms with Gloria, who wears a black headscarf and black top. I believe this is the woman who was with Gloria as reported by Joe Molina:

Mr. Ball: Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary?
Mr. MOLINA: Yes.
Mr. Ball: Did Gloria come up?
Ms.. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.
Mr. Ball: What did she say?
Mr. MOLINA. She said "Oh, my God, Joe, he's been shot." They were both horrified. I said "Are you sure he was shot?" She said "Oh, Joe ,I'm sure. I saw his hair fly up and I'm sure he was shot" something to that extent.

From various testimonies it is clear Gloria saw JFK's head explode so she must have been standing close enough to the limo when the headshot occurred to see it. There are a number of films taken around the moment of the assassination so it should not be too difficult to locate these two women, proving that at the moment of the headshot they were stood somewhere on Elm Street but seconds later they were on the front steps of the TSBD building.

In March of '64 the employees of the TSBD building gave statements [CE1381's] to the FBI including their whereabouts at the time of the assassination and who they were with. Gloria states that she left her office with three work colleagues to go and watch the motorcade - Karen Westbrook, Karan Hicks and Carol Reed. In their CE1381's each woman confirms she was with the other three at the time of the assassination but there is something weird about these statements that needs to be mentioned before moving on. Three of the statements - Calvery, Westbrook and Hicks' - are identical. Only Carol Reed's statement is different.
The CE1381's state that the four women were on Elm Street, about halfway between Houston Street and the underpass, which would make sense as the head shot occurred in this general area and Gloria has to be stood close enough to see it. However, there is a discrepancy - according to one version they are stood on the south side of Elm Street but in the other they are stood on the sidewalk, which is on the north side of Elm Street.
So, which is it, north or south?

When we watch the Zapruder film we see there is no-one on the south side of Elm Street that fits the description of these four young women. As the limo moves along we see:
Two black men clapping
The Babushka lady, Charles Brehm and his son.
Jean Hill and Mary Moorman.
Two older men in dark suits - one is Altgens and I believe the other is Bothun.
A diving Malcolm Summers
A family of three - the Franzens. Stood close to them a man whose name I don't know.
And finally, an unidentified couple.
The Zapruder film proves the women are not stood on the south side of Elm, meaning they are stood on the sidewalk on the north side.

In the Bronson pic below we can see those people stood on the north side. To the very left of the picture is Bill Newman stood with his wife and kids. We know from the Bell film that there is no-one else stood on the sidewalk between Bill and the underpass (there are three men on the steps leading up to the picket fence but nobody on the sidewalk).
As we move from left to right - after the Newmans there are two women, one of which I believe is Doris Mumford. Then there is a very large gap until we come to Umbrella Man and DCM. Then two college kids. Then the Chisms and then a group of five women. A red arrow points out a woman wearing a blue headscarf:



There are no group of women who could possibly be Gloria and friends between Bill Newman and the woman in the blue headscarf.
Which brings us to the picture below.



On the right hand side of the picture we see the woman with the blue headscarf (who was picked out with the red arrow in the Bronson pic), partially obscured by the Stemmons sign. In the group to her left we are looking for the woman with a white headscarf and dress and Gloria, wearing a black headscarf and black top. They are instantly recognisable as there is only one group of women wearing headscarves:



Here we have Gloria Clavery and her three work colleagues, all wearing headscarves.
In the Zapruder film, the last time we see Gloria is z190.
Seconds later we see her and the woman in white at the front steps in the Darnell footage.



In the cropped and cleaned section of the Roberdeau map below, Calvery's position is shown. It also shows her route back to the "corner of the park" where she met Shelley , who had run across from the front steps [at point A]. According to the scale of the map, the distance from Gloria's position to point A and then across to the steps is just shy of 140 ft. At a modest run of 6mph, she could have covered this distance in 16 seconds. Personally, I think she was moving faster .


Rather than stamp their little feet, huffing and puffing, I invite the resident Nutters to counter the arguments I have made here with actual evidence and arguments of their own. Show me where you think I've gone wrong and why, rather than the usual whining "I'm right so you must be wrong" logic that pervades all their posts.

[Jack Nessan]

You're clearly having the meltdown I was worried about.
I'll try the question again:

How does what Harkness, Sawyer and Barnett testified contradict what I've been posting?

Please take your meds and have a nap before trying to answer the question old-timer.

They contradict the timing on the first floor as you well know. Seriously, so much for being a great researcher. You have not set the bar very high. This thread was resolved on page one by the statement of Shelley. Remember where I had to redirect you back thirty or forty pages to the answer on when the first shot was fired? Same thing here except it was on page one.

[Jack Nessan]

While Jack takes a nap I'd like to have a closer look at this claim I made in an earlier post:

I think Gloria saw JFK's head explode and ran as fast as she could back to the TSBD building.
She had about 140 ft to cover. Let's say she was running at a modest 6mph, she could have covered that distance in 16 seconds. I think it was probably quicker than that.
I think she reached the TSBD steps before Baker got there.
She was stood at the steps, telling Lovelady and others about the shooting, when Baker arrived.
Shelley was stood at the bottom of the steps having just returned from "that little, old island" across the Elm Street extension.
This whole scenario was captured by Darnell:



The woman in white is dressed very distinctively, a white headscarf and dress. she appears to be linking arms with Gloria, who wears a black headscarf and black top. I believe this is the woman who was with Gloria as reported by Joe Molina:

Mr. Ball: Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary?
Mr. MOLINA: Yes.
Mr. Ball: Did Gloria come up?
Ms.. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.
Mr. Ball: What did she say?
Mr. MOLINA. She said "Oh, my God, Joe, he's been shot." They were both horrified. I said "Are you sure he was shot?" She said "Oh, Joe ,I'm sure. I saw his hair fly up and I'm sure he was shot" something to that extent.

From various testimonies it is clear Gloria saw JFK's head explode so she must have been standing close enough to the limo when the headshot occurred to see it. There are a number of films taken around the moment of the assassination so it should not be too difficult to locate these two women, proving that at the moment of the headshot they were stood somewhere on Elm Street but seconds later they were on the front steps of the TSBD building.

In March of '64 the employees of the TSBD building gave statements [CE1381's] to the FBI including their whereabouts at the time of the assassination and who they were with. Gloria states that she left her office with three work colleagues to go and watch the motorcade - Karen Westbrook, Karan Hicks and Carol Reed. In their CE1381's each woman confirms she was with the other three at the time of the assassination but there is something weird about these statements that needs to be mentioned before moving on. Three of the statements - Calvery, Westbrook and Hicks' - are identical. Only Carol Reed's statement is different.
The CE1381's state that the four women were on Elm Street, about halfway between Houston Street and the underpass, which would make sense as the head shot occurred in this general area and Gloria has to be stood close enough to see it. However, there is a discrepancy - according to one version they are stood on the south side of Elm Street but in the other they are stood on the sidewalk, which is on the north side of Elm Street.
So, which is it, north or south?

When we watch the Zapruder film we see there is no-one on the south side of Elm Street that fits the description of these four young women. As the limo moves along we see:
Two black men clapping
The Babushka lady, Charles Brehm and his son.
Jean Hill and Mary Moorman.
Two older men in dark suits - one is Altgens and I believe the other is Bothun.
A diving Malcolm Summers
A family of three - the Franzens. Stood close to them a man whose name I don't know.
And finally, an unidentified couple.
The Zapruder film proves the women are not stood on the south side of Elm, meaning they are stood on the sidewalk on the north side.

In the Bronson pic below we can see those people stood on the north side. To the very left of the picture is Bill Newman stood with his wife and kids. We know from the Bell film that there is no-one else stood on the sidewalk between Bill and the underpass (there are three men on the steps leading up to the picket fence but nobody on the sidewalk).
As we move from left to right - after the Newmans there are two women, one of which I believe is Doris Mumford. Then there is a very large gap until we come to Umbrella Man and DCM. Then two college kids. Then the Chisms and then a group of five women. A red arrow points out a woman wearing a blue headscarf:



There are no group of women who could possibly be Gloria and friends between Bill Newman and the woman in the blue headscarf.
Which brings us to the picture below.



On the right hand side of the picture we see the woman with the blue headscarf (who was picked out with the red arrow in the Bronson pic), partially obscured by the Stemmons sign. In the group to her left we are looking for the woman with a white headscarf and dress and Gloria, wearing a black headscarf and black top. They are instantly recognisable as there is only one group of women wearing headscarves:



Here we have Gloria Clavery and her three work colleagues, all wearing headscarves.
In the Zapruder film, the last time we see Gloria is z190.
Seconds later we see her and the woman in white at the front steps in the Darnell footage.



In the cropped and cleaned section of the Roberdeau map below, Calvery's position is shown. It also shows her route back to the "corner of the park" where she met Shelley , who had run across from the front steps [at point A]. According to the scale of the map, the distance from Gloria's position to point A and then across to the steps is just shy of 140 ft. At a modest run of 6mph, she could have covered this distance in 16 seconds. Personally, I think she was moving faster .


Rather than stamp their little feet, huffing and puffing, I invite the resident Nutters to counter the arguments I have made here with actual evidence and arguments of their own. Show me where you think I've gone wrong and why, rather than the usual whining "I'm right so you must be wrong" logic that pervades all their posts.

The 3-minute Lie.  What a joke. It makes sense you would try and turn this thread into some other topic. You are really trying to distance yourself from this obvious debacle. The WC ended this story decades ago but go ahead and keep posting your own twisted interpretations. If nothing else, it is amusing.

[Andrew Mason]

This is simply not true.
The WC testimonies of both men are unequivocal - they were on the steps at the time of the shooting and didn't leave the steps until after the encounter with Gloria. It is only once they leave the steps that they see Truly and Baker still outside the TSBD building. There is no other way to interpret their testimonies.
It is utterly dishonest of you to insinuate otherwise.

Perhaps you need to refresh your reading and comprehension skills Dan.  Here are the excerpts you provided:

The following are excerpts from the WC testimonies of both men demonstrating, beyond any doubt, that they testify to the sequence of events I have laid out.

LOVELADY

Mr. Lovelady: ...I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. Ball: You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. Lovelady: Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball: Did you stay on the steps
Mr. Lovelady: Yes.
Mr. Ball: Were you there when the President's motorcade went by
Mr. Lovelady: Right.
Mr. Ball: Did you hear anything?
Mr. Lovelady: Yes, sir; sure did.
Mr. Ball: What did you hear?
Mr. Lovelady: I thought it was firecrackers or somebody celebrating the arrival of the President. It didn't occur to me at first what had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President had been shot.

So far, it is consistent with them meeting Gloria a few minutes after they crossed Elm Street where, in their original statements, they said Gloria came running up to them.  We continue:

Mr. Ball: The top step you were standing there?
Mr. Lovelady: Right.
Mr. Ball: Now, when Gloria came up you were standing near Mr. Shelley?
Mr. Lovelady: Yeah.

This too is consistent with them meeting Gloria a few minutes after they crossed Elm Street where, in their original statements, they said Gloria came running up to them as they were standing near each other.  We continue:

Mr. Ball: When Gloria came up and said the President had been shot, Gloria Calvary, what did you do?
Mr. Lovelady: Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him or--she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn't know how serious it was and so the crowd had started towards the railroad tracks back, you know, behind our building there and we run towards that little, old island and kind of down there in that little street...

If we were to replace the bolded "and" with a "then" and if "run towards that little, old island" means running across Elm St. then you would be correct that this is a statement that is inconsistent with meeting Gloria after crossing Elm Street. But he used the word "and" not "then" so it is ambiguous at best.

Mr. Ball: By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
Mr. Lovelady: As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.[/b]

Nothing there to say where they met Gloria C.

SHELLEY

Mr. Ball: You were standing where?
Mr. Shelley: Just outside the glass doors there.
Mr. Ball: That would be on the top landing of the entrance?
Mr. Shelley: yes.
Mr. Ball: Did you see the motorcade pass?
Mr. Shelley: Yes.
Mr. Ball: What did you hear?
Mr. Shelley: Well, I heard something sounded like it was a firecracker and a slight pause and then two more a little bit closer together.

Mr. Ball: Then what happened?
Mr. Shelley: Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said "The President has been shot" and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute.

Again, if we were to replace the bolded "and" with a "then" and if "took off across the street to that little, old island" means running across Elm St. then you would be correct that this is a statement that is inconsistent with meeting Gloria after crossing Elm Street. But he too used the word "and" not "then" so it is ambiguous at best.

Mr. Ball: Did you see Truly, Mr. Truly and an officer go into the building?
Mr. Shelley: Yeah, we saw them right at the front of the building while we were on the island.[/b]

This is consistent with them seeing Truly and Baker go into the TSBD after crossing Elm but before meeting Gloria C.  It was not until Mr. Ball asked this leading question that you can say that Lovelady contradicts his earlier statement.

"Mr. BALL. Right after you talked to Gloria. did you leave the steps and go toward the tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes.

Do you agree with the fact that both men testify to the following sequence of events in their WC testimonies:
1] They were stood on the steps when the shooting happened.

We know this from Altgens' #6 photo and other evidence. They did not leave the steps until after the shots. The question is: how long after the shots did they leave the steps?

Firstly, this is not the first time you have made the dishonest claim that both men made earlier statements that they crossed Elm immediately after the shots and met Gloria. Lovelady never made any such claim and it's dishonest of you to keep asserting he did.

First of all, your habit of accusing people who do not agree with you as being dishonest is not one of your endearing qualities.  More to the point, it only detracts from your argument.

How do you interpret this statement of Lovelady from 22Nov63: "He said immediately after hearing the shots he and Shelley started running towards the Presidential car, but it sped away west on Elm Street under the triple underpass."?

How do you interpret this statement of Shelley from 22Nov63 (24H226): "I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot."?

And it is really bizarre to suggest that, because Shelley stated in his affidavit on the day of the assassination that he ran across Elm and met Gloria, when he completely changes his story in his WC testimony we are meant to ignore it because of his earlier statement!!

I didn't say we should ignore it.  I just said that, since they were never asked to explain the contradictions we are unable to determine which statement is accurate with respect to that detail. So we cannot give any weight to the latter statement.

Shelley and Lovelady are lying about their movements after the assassination, that is what the 3 Minute Lie is part of. Shelley's change of story is yet another indication of the lies he is telling. Instead, you try to use it as a way to interpret his WC testimony in a way that suits you! Could there be a more dishonest approach to the evidence?
I don't think so.

Again, your tiresome allegations that people who disagree with you are being dishonest do not contribute to the discussion.

Shelley and Lovelady are lying about their movements after the assassination.
It's why their stories keep changing from statement to statement.

You are accusing Shelley and Lovelady as being dishonest based on speculation. Making inconsistent statements in itself is not evidence of dishonesty.  Evidence of dishonesty may arise if the witness is confronted with the previous inconsistent statement and cannot give a credible explanation. Proof of dishonesty requires clear and cogent evidence of an intent to mislead.  That did not occur here.  You cannot determine the probability that they would have been able to innocently explain the contradiction. 

The 3 Minute Lie is proven to be a lie by the Darnell footage, the Truly/Baker time trials and the testimonies/statements of Baker, Truly, Adams, Styles, Garner, Molina and Pauline Sanders.
You're assertion, that Adams lied in her testimony, is based solely on the statements/testimonies of Shelley and Lovelady, two proven liars.

I never suggested, let alone said, that Adams lied in her testimony.  There is a difference between knowingly uttering a falsehood and being mistaken.  You don't seem to grasp that essential point.

This is good enough for you and Nutters like you but not for anyone looking honestly at this issue.
Personally, I would be ashamed at the dishonest tactics you have to resort to, but for you it seems like it's just another day at the office.

I would be ashamed if I suggested that every witness who made inconsistent statements was a liar.

[Dan O'meara]

Perhaps you need to refresh your reading and comprehension skills Dan.  Here are the excerpts you provided: So far, it is consistent with them meeting Gloria a few minutes after they crossed Elm Street where, in their original statements, they said Gloria came running up to them.  We continue:
This too is consistent with them meeting Gloria a few minutes after they crossed Elm Street where, in their original statements, they said Gloria came running up to them as they were standing near each other.  We continue:If we were to replace the bolded "and" with a "then" and if "run towards that little, old island" means running across Elm St. then you would be correct that this is a statement that is inconsistent with meeting Gloria after crossing Elm Street. But he used the word "and" not "then" so it is ambiguous at best.
Nothing there to say where they met Gloria C.Again, if we were to replace the bolded "and" with a "then" and if "took off across the street to that little, old island" means running across Elm St. then you would be correct that this is a statement that is inconsistent with meeting Gloria after crossing Elm Street. But he too used the word "and" not "then" so it is ambiguous at best.This is consistent with them seeing Truly and Baker go into the TSBD after crossing Elm but before meeting Gloria C.  It was not until Mr. Ball asked this leading question that you can say that Lovelady contradicts his earlier statement.

"Mr. BALL. Right after you talked to Gloria. did you leave the steps and go toward the tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes.We know this from Altgens' #6 photo and other evidence. They did not leave the steps until after the shots. The question is: how long after the shots did they leave the steps?First of all, your habit of accusing people who do not agree with you as being dishonest is not one of your endearing qualities.  More to the point, it only detracts from your argument.

How do you interpret this statement of Lovelady from 22Nov63: "He said immediately after hearing the shots he and Shelley started running towards the Presidential car, but it sped away west on Elm Street under the triple underpass."?

How do you interpret this statement of Shelley from 22Nov63 (24H226): "I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot."?
I didn't say we should ignore it.  I just said that, since they were never asked to explain the contradictions we are unable to determine which statement is accurate with respect to that detail. So we cannot give any weight to the latter statement.Again, your tiresome allegations that people who disagree with you are being dishonest do not contribute to the discussion.
You are accusing Shelley and Lovelady as being dishonest based on speculation. Making inconsistent statements in itself is not evidence of dishonesty.  Evidence of dishonesty may arise if the witness is confronted with the previous inconsistent statement and cannot give a credible explanation. Proof of dishonesty requires clear and cogent evidence of an intent to mislead.  That did not occur here.  You cannot determine the probability that they would have been able to innocently explain the contradiction.  I never suggested, let alone said, that Adams lied in her testimony.  There is a difference between knowingly uttering a falsehood and being mistaken.  You don't seem to grasp that essential point.I would be ashamed if I suggested that every witness who made inconsistent statements was a liar.

Your dishonesty knows no bounds.
Before his WC testimony Lovelady NEVER claims that he ran across Elm Street and met Gloria there.
This is staggering dishonesty on your behalf to constantly assert he did and it's mind-blowing you are continuing with this falsehood when you've been caught out.
I'm well aware Shelley claims that after the shots he runs across the Elm Street extension and meets Gloria coming the other way. He then returns to the steps and re-enters the building. At no point does he mention Lovelady came with him. He refers only to himself going over.
In his affidavit Lovelady never even leaves the front steps!
After that we have Lovelady's FBI  statement that has them both running down to the area where the limo slowed down. Not the railroad yard.
Then there's Shelley's FBI statement that both men accompanied officers down to the railroad yard and stayed there for ten minutes.
Constantly changing movements and timings.
But NEVER does Lovelady state he ran across Elm Street and met Gloria away from the steps.
Am I calling it dishonest because you don't agree with me?
Not at all, I relish that debate.
I'm calling it dishonest because that is exactly what it is.

I challenge you to either produce the document that contains this earlier claim that Lovelady met Gloria away from the steps [at which point I will apologise to you] or own up to your dishonesty in front of the forum.


Mr. BALL: Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY: It would have to be 3 or 4 minutes I would say because this girl that ran back up there was down near where the car was when the President was hit.
Mr. BALL: She ran back up to the door and you had still remained standing there?
Mr. SHELLEY: Yes.

Explain this exchange in Shelley's WC testimony.
Your dishonest attempt to change the sequence of events that both men testified to is recorded.
You really should be ashamed.