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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2024, 06:58:25 PM »
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If one corrects for the "obvious problems" with the trajectory by moving the path through JFK even 2 inches to the right, one still has to have JBC sitting on the drive shaft so that his right armpit aligns with the bullet leaving JFK's throat.  It is obvious to me that having JBC sitting on the drive shaft and not in the middle of his seat as he actually was would create a much bigger "obvious problem".  There may be errors. But even generous correction in favour of the SBT still shows that the SBT trajectory does not strike JBC in the right armpit. This tells us two things: 1. the SBT is wrong and 2. the shot through JFK did not occur at z210 or z225.  Rather, it must have occurred when a the straight line path through JFK's neck wound missed JBC's back entirely.

    Just keep your shorts on and wait for Knott Labs to trace the actual bullet trajectories. Knott Labs has thus far only used SCIENCE to DQ the SBT. Much like Maury Povich declaring, "You are NOT the father". Or law enforcement ruling someone OUT as being a suspect. Give SCIENCE the time needed to provide the bullet trajectories.
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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #129 on: February 02, 2024, 03:54:23 PM »
    Just keep your shorts on and wait for Knott Labs to trace the actual bullet trajectories. Knott Labs has thus far only used SCIENCE to DQ the SBT. Much like Maury Povich declaring, "You are NOT the father". Or law enforcement ruling someone OUT as being a suspect. Give SCIENCE the time needed to provide the bullet trajectories.
The bullet trajectories are determined by evidence. Science will not tell us when the shots occurred. Science can only assist in interpreting the evidence. 

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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #130 on: February 12, 2024, 06:56:29 PM »
So it all seems to come down to the assumptions made by Myers and the Knott crew, about what were the actual body positions at the time of the back-to-neck shot (and if the bullet deviated in its path as it passed through JFK).





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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #131 on: February 12, 2024, 08:48:11 PM »
Witness evidence & reaction evidence tells us that Oswald's shot-1 happened well before Z133.
I thort that Knotts (reckoned that they) showed that shot-2 after passing throo jfk would have hit Connally near his spine unless Connally was moved further left by about 10 inches.
Re the SBT having or needing a straight line, i think that it is undeniable that a dogleg or double dogleg in the SB trajectory must help the SBT.
And i am thinking that that dogleg might have been as much as say 10 deg in 10 inches, & then say 12  deg in 12 inches, making a possible total of say 22 deg in 22 inches.
We would need to use 2 blocks of jelly to do such a test, or dozens of tests, to see the possible ranges of resulting doglegs.
For example a 10 inch block of jelly separated by say 30 inches of air from a 12 inch block of jelly would probably give a greater range of resulting doglegs than a single 22 inch block of jelly.
I suppose that both blocks of jelly should have some bone in there somewhere.
Bump. I see that this thread is once again being taken over by silly members who are fixated on the 7 inshoots/outshoots (& the Carcano) all being exactly on a silly long dead straight line.
No.
We can have (might have)(must have) (1) a dogleg inside jfk, & (2) a dogleg inside Connally, & (3) a dogleg in his wrist.
That makes 3 doglegs.
And, a 10 inch block of jelly separated by say 30 inches of air from a 12 inch block of jelly would probly give a greater range of resulting doglegs (when analyzing a plurality of tests) than a single 22 inch block of jelly.

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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #132 on: February 12, 2024, 10:54:54 PM »
So it all seems to come down to the assumptions made by Myers and the Knott crew, about what were the actual body positions at the time of the back-to-neck shot (and if the bullet deviated in its path as it passed through JFK).
There is no possibility of the bullet changing direction materially after passing through JFK. It comes down to:  1. determining when the shot through JFK's neck may have occurred, according to the evidence, 2. what the actual position and direction of the car was at those times and what the body positions of the two men were at those times as determined from the evidence and 3. what the straight line trajectory of a shot from the SN through JFK's neck would have struck after leaving JFK, using an accurate 3D model of Dealey Plaza.

1. is going to be a range of zframes based on evidence.  There are over 20 witnesses who reported seeing JFK react to the first shot and witnesses along Elm St. who said the first shot occurred just as the President's car passed by them or the President's car was "almost directly in front of me" or "after acknowledging our cheers, he faced forward again".  Hugh Betzner said it was just after he took his z186 photo and was about to wind the film to take another.  Phil Willis said that he took his z202 photo because the sound of the first shot caused him to reaction and press the shutter button on his camera.  So that gives one possible range of frames to look at of maybe z190 to z202.  The Connallys said that they thought that JBC looked like he was hit in the back at around z230 or so.  So, assessing the uncertainty, you would look at a range from say 223-235.  The WC said that JFK was hit around z210. Bugliosi thought the same.  So you would look at a range from z205-215.

2. this is a matter of first of all having an accurate model of the car and of the two men.   Then it is a matter of placing the car and them in the car and with the right posture so they appear to be the same as seen in the zfilm at the relevant frames.  Again, there will be a range of uncertainty that would need to be quantified.

3.  then it is just a matter of using an accurate 3D model of Dealey Plaza to see what a straight line path through JFK looked like for all ranges of times and positions.

The bottom line is that there is going to be a range of possible paths for the bullet through JFK at each of those times. Knott says that in any of those scenarios at z225 and z210 the trajectory through JFK does not go to JBC's right armpit or anywhere close.  But they have not tried all the possible times.  In particular, they have not tried a shot through JFK between z190 and z202 which is what I would be interested in seeing.



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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
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« Reply #133 on: February 12, 2024, 11:14:29 PM »
Here is a reminder that the SBT has been prooved.
Lattimer's 1994 tests showed that it was not possible for Connally's lapel to flip at Z224 unless the slug (magic bullet) at Z218 had firstly passed thru JFK.
Lattimer's 1994 tests showed that the spray from the outshoot (ie the spray under Connally's lapel) was not powerfull enuff (to flip the lapel) unless the slug had started to tumble before entry into Connally.
Hence Lattimer proved the SBT.

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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #134 on: February 13, 2024, 12:45:08 AM »
Experimental duplication of the important physical evidence of the lapel bulge of the jacket worn by Governor Connally when bullet 399 went through him:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8167893/

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By duplicating the wound to the neck of President Kennedy, which caused bullet 399 to turn sideways, and having it then hit a Connally-type rib cage with shirt and jacket, we reproduced the right-sided bulge of the jacket worn by Connally, with lapel eversion, which is so significant in frame 224. The extensive damage to his shirtfront was from the hail of rib fragments and soft tissue, exactly as described with his own shirt. Our tumbling bullet then went on to fracture a radius and be recovered intact except that it was somewhat flattened and bent and had lead extruded from the rear, as did bullet 399. Fragments of this lead were scraped off on the ragged bone-ends of some of our fractured radiuses, just as with Governor Connally's radius. It is believed that this duplication of the jacket and lapel bulge of Governor Connally, which occurred dependably, when we reproduced the circumstances at Dallas, confirmed this very important detail in this technical demonstration of the findings in the shooting of President Kennedy and Governor Connally. The bulge and the lapel eversion of the jacket worn by Governor Connally, starting in Zapruder frame 224, does indeed establish, beyond any shadow of a doubt, the exact moment when bullet 399 went through him. The right arms of both men were seen to react simultaneously, immediately thereafter. It also permits us to establish that there was plenty of time (three and one-half seconds) between the first two shots (frames 160 to 224) and even more time (five seconds) between the last two shots (frames 224 to 313), for Oswald to reload, reacquire his target (the head of President Kennedy) plus two full seconds to lock onto it. If the bullet does not traverse the neck of President Kennedy, it does not cause Governor Connally's jacket and lapel to bulge. The lapel bulge is a very important bit of actual physical evidence in establishing the fact that one bullet hit both men and that Oswald had plenty of time to hit the President, first in the neck and then in the head. These experiments confirm the mechanism of the lapel bulge and the behavior of the bullet.

Lattimer JK, Laidlaw A, Heneghan P,  Haubner EJ. J Am Coll Surg. 1994 May; 178(5): 517-22. PMID: 8167893.




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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #135 on: February 13, 2024, 12:48:44 AM »
So it all seems to come down to the assumptions made by Myers and the Knott crew, about what were the actual body positions at the time of the back-to-neck shot (and if the bullet deviated in its path as it passed through JFK).





  "Assumptions"?  As Jacob McCandles would say, "NOT HARDLY"!