Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory

[John Mytton]

I think it was from Palamara's stuff.
It appears that it was Lawson's portable radio that was playing up.
Plus praps Curry's channel-1 might have been off the air due to sticky button near the Trade Mart.

297) DPD Chief Jesse E. Curry, driver of the lead car in the motorcade [deceased June 1980]:

a) 11/20/63 televised warning to Dallas citizens (see "Four Days In November", 1964);

b) 11/22-11/24/63 televised statements, ABC, CBS, NBC (see also "Rush To Judgment");

c) 4 H 150-202 [not consulted about motorcade route: 4 H 169; see also CD 5, p. 4: learned of the route 11/21/63 via Lawson and Sorrells]; 12 H 25-42; 15 H 124-133 / testimony;

d) 15 H 640 / affidavit;

e) other WC references: too numerous to list (see "Referenced Index Guide to the Warren Commission" by Walt Brown, 1995, pp. 46-47 and 294;

f) 8/69 LBJ Library Oral History (audio tape)---there was no radio contact be-tween the lead car and the limousine and Lawson's portable radio was not working too well at the time;

g) His book "JFK Assassination File" (1969), pages 32, 34---"No hospital atten-dants were at the emergency entrance…The back seat was a gory sight---blood was everywhere…Even amid the confusion the Chief Executive looked dead. Visible respiration was gone; his eyes were dilated and fixed…Agent Hill finally convinced her [Jackie] to let go of the President. Apparently she didn't want anyone to see that the BACK of the President's head was partially blown off." [emphasis added]; "As Dr. Perry took charge he sized up the situation. A small neat wound was in the throat. The back of the head was massively damaged and blood from this wound covered the floor and the aluminum hospital cart. Dr. Perry examined the throat wound and assessed it as the entrance wound…at the time Dr. Perry insisted that the President was shot from the front----entering at the throat and exiting out the back of the head.";

h) early 1970's interview with Fred Newcomb and Perry Adams for "Murder From Within" (pages 32, 42, 157, 164, 183, and 185)---Texas law prohibited the removal of a body from the state without an autopsy; also: it was the Secret Service who changed the orders re: the placement of the motorcycles by JFK's 11 Part 5: Motorcade occupants 4 No. 2 © Copyright 2006 Vincent M. Palamara

THE JFK MEDICAL REFERENCE ASSASSINATION RESEARCH / Vol.

limo [see B.J. Martin, above, as well as 4 H 171 (Curry) and 338 (Lawson); 7 H 579-581; 17 H 605, 624; 18 H 741, 809; 20 H 489; 21 H 571, 768-770; see also 20 H 391 re: cancelled squad car];

i) “CBS News Inquiry” The American Assassins” 1975;

j) “The Fifth Estate-Dallas and After” 1977 CBC (interviewed by P.D.

Scott!);

k) "The Killing of President Kennedy” (1978/1983) [full lenghth version of

“Declassified: The Plot to Kill President Kennedy” (1978/1988)]---Curry said that, from the direction of the blood and the brain matter, one shot had to have come from the front;

l) 4/22/80 issue of "The Continuing Inquiry" newsletter: interview with Gary Mack re: "The Stop-And-Go Motorcade";

m) “Murder In Dealey Plaza” by James Fetzer (2000), pages 11, 18, 25-26, 32, 34, 42-43, 59, 83, 101-103, 117, 155, 161, 169, 172, 220, 416, 418, 419, 361-368, 404

Thanks Marjan, by collating all of the relevant eyewitnesses, I believe that they very quickly ascertained that there was a serious medical emergency and hightailed it to Parkland as quickly as possible. Even if they realized that Kennedy was dead, Connally was very much alive and needed medical assistance asap!

Btw I'm still waiting for Royell to provide proof of a stoppage but in his usual fashion, he's trying to string it out as long as possible just so he can be the centre of attention.

JohnM

[Royell Storing]

  John - Maybe you have forgotten, but we discussed the Limo STOP issue at length previously. The issue was Not whether there was a Limo STOP, the issue was WHERE the JFK Limo Stopped. Whether LN or CT this is where the vast majority of the Forum was. Seriously, you need to take stock of where you are currently at. If You get on top of this NOW, at minimum you can Halt the decline. For starters, STOP polluting your mind with those ghoulish cartoons you have crafted. Use that time and mind space to accumulate Knowledge through research.   

[John Mytton]

  John - Maybe you have forgotten, but we discussed the Limo STOP issue at length previously. The issue was Not whether there was a Limo STOP, the issue was WHERE the JFK Limo Stopped. Whether LN or CT this is where the vast majority of the Forum was. Seriously, you need to take stock of where you are currently at. If You get on top of this NOW, at minimum you can Halt the decline. For starters, STOP polluting your mind with those ghoulish cartoons you have crafted. Use that time and mind space to accumulate Knowledge through research.

No worries Royell, I have researched occupants in the Limo, occupants in the lead car and even Hickey in the SS follow up car and NO one says the Limo stopped, the fact that they arrived at Parkland very soon after, so urgent medical care could be carried out on Connally and Kenney, tells me very specifically that they didn't stop for a picnic. Btw these constant boring insults and embarrassing attempts at niggling with every mind numbing post only proves that the irrefutable truth is getting under your skin and making you go wild. But keep it up because you make me laugh!

This is what Curry said in his WC testimony.

Mr. HUBERT - Can you tell us what you know about the matter from that point on, and it may be just as well if you will tell it in a narrative fashion. I will ask you some questions as we go along, or perhaps wait until the end to fill in. We will see how it works out. Briefly, what we want to know is what you know about the whole thing.
Mr. CURRY - Well, on November 22, I was in the lead car of the Presidential caravan. With me were Secret Service Winston Lawson and Forrest Sorrels, and the sheriff of Dallas County, Bill Decker, and we were nearing the triple underpass in the western part of Dallas, and which is near Stemmons Express-way-it was necessary for us to move to Elm Street in order to get on the Stemmons Expressway to get the President's caravan down to the Trade Mart where they were going to have a luncheon.
I heard a sharp report. We were near the railroad yards at this time, and I didn't know--I didn't know exactly where this report came from, whether it was above us or where, but this was followed by two more reports, and at that time I looked in my rear view mirror and I saw some commotion in the President's caravan and realized that probably something was wrong, and it seemed to be speeding up, and about this time a motorcycle officer, I believe it was Officer Chaney rode up beside us and I asked if something happened back there and he said, "Yes," and I said, "Has somebody been shot?" And he said, "I think so." So, I then ordered him to take us to Parkland Hospital which was the nearest hospital, so we took the President's caravan then to Parkland Hospital and they were the President, the Vice President and the Governor--were taken into the hospital and I remained at the hospital for--oh--some hour or so.

Greer's original report.

The President's automobile was almost past this building and I was looking at the overpass that we were about to pass under in case someone was on top of it, when I heard what I thought was the backfire of a motorcycle behind the President's automobile. After the second shot, I glanced over my right shoulder and saw Governor Connally start to fall, I knew then that something was wrong and I immediately pushed the accelerator to the floor and Mr. Kellerman said, get out of here.
We rushed up to the police escort and I called to the motorcycle police, Hospital. Mr. Kellerman was calling to the lead automobile on the radio to get to the nearest hospital fast. I drove as fast as I could to the hospital and helped to get the President into the emergency room.

Kellerman's original report

I yelled at William Greer (the driver) to "Step on it, we're hit!" and grabbed the mike from the car radio, called to SA Lawson in the police lead car that we were hit and to get us to a hospital.
With SA Lawson riding in the police car they quickly formed the accompanying escort for the motorcade around our limousines and sped us through the streets to the emergency entrance of Parkland Memorial Hospital. Sometime during the ride to the hospital while looking back into the car I noticed SA Hill hanging on to the back of the car, laying across the trunk. When we got to the hospital I called to the agents to get two stretchers.

Lawson's original report.

At the corner of Houston and Elm Streets I verified with Chief Curry that we were about five minutes from the Trade Mart and gave this signal over my portable White House Communications radio. We were just approaching a railroad overpass and I checked to see if a police officer was in position there and that no one was directly over our path. I noticed a police officer but also noticed a few persons on the bridge and made motions to have these persons removed from over our path. As the Lead Car was passing under this bridge I heard the first loud, sharp report and in more rapid succession two more sounds like gunfire. I could see persons to the left of the motorcade vehicles running away. I noticed Agent Hickey standing up in the follow-up car with the automatic weapon and first thought he had fired at someone. Both the President's car and our Lead Car rapidly accelerated almost simultaneously. I heard a report over the two-way radio that we should proceed to the nearest hospital. I noticed Agent Hill hanging on to the rear of the President's vehicle. A motorcycle escort officer pulled alongside our Lead Car and said the President had been shot. Chief Curry gave a signal over his radio for police to converge on the area of the incident. I requested Chief Curry to have the hospital contacted that we were on the way. Our Lead Car assisted the motorcycles in escorting the President's vehicle to Parkland Hospital.

Upon our arrival there at approximately 12:34 p.m., I rushed into the emergency entrance, met persons coming with two stretchers and helped rush them outside. Governor Connally was being removed from the car when the stretchers arrived and he was placed on the first one. Mr. Powers, myself and one or two others placed President Kennedy on a stretcher and we ran pushing the stretcher into the emergency area which hospital personnel directed us to.

Clint Hill's original report.

I jumped onto the left rear step of the Presidential automobile. Mrs. Kennedy shouted, "They've shot his head off;" then turned and raised out of her seat as if she were reaching to her right rear toward the back of the car for something that had blown out. I forced her back into her seat and placed my body above President and Mrs. Kennedy. SA Greer had, as I jumped onto the Presidential automobile, accelerated the Presidential automobile forward. I heard ASAIC Kellerman call SA Lawson on the two-way radio and say, "To the nearest hospital, quick." I shouted as loud as I could at the Lead car, "To the hospital, to the hospital."

Sorrels' WC testimony

Mr. STERN - Would shots from the Book Depository Building have been consistent with your hearing of the shots?
Mr. SORRELS - Yes; they would have.
Mr. STERN - What happened next, Mr. Sorrels?
Mr. SORRELS - We proceeded to Parkland Hospital just as fast as we could.
Mr. STERN - Did you go into the hospital?
Mr. SORRELS - No; I did not go into the hospital.

Mrs. Connally's WC testimony.

Mr. DULLES. To the right was into your arms more or less?
Mrs. CONNALLY. No, he turned away from me. I was pretending that I was him. I never again looked in the back seat of the car after my husband was shot. My concern was for him, and I remember that he turned to the right and then just slumped down into the seat, so that I reached over to pull him toward me. X was trying to get him down and me down. The jump seats were not very roomy, so that there were reports that he slid into the seat of the car, which he did not; that he fell over into my lap, which he did not.
I just pulled him over into my arms because it would have been impossible to get us really both down with me sitting and me holding him. So that I looked out, I mean as he was in my arms, I put my head down over his head so that his head and my head were right together, and all I could see, too, were the people flashing by. I didn't look back any more. The third shot that I heard I felt, it felt like spent buckshot falling all over us, and then, of course, I too could see that it was the matter, brain tissue, or whatever, just human matter, all over the car and both of us.
I thought John had been killed, and then there was some imperceptible movement, just some little something that let me know that there was still some life, and that is when I started saying to him, "It's all right. Be still."
Now, I did hear the Secret Service man say, "Pull out of the motorcade. Take us to the nearest hospital," and then we took out very rapidly to the hospital.
Just before we got to Parkland, we made a right-hand turn, he must have been going very fast, because as he turned the weight of my husband's body almost toppled us both.
Mr. SPECTER How fast do you think he was going?
Mrs. CONNALLY. I don't know; very rapidly. The people I could see going by were just rushing. We were just rushing by very fast. We arrived at the hospital and sat there what seemed to me like an interminable time, and from what I know was just a few minutes, but the thoughts that went through my mind were how long must I sit here with this dying man in my arms while everybody is swarming over the President whom I felt very sure was dead, and just when I thought I could sit and wait no longer, John just sort of heaved himself up. He did not rise up in the car, he just sort of heaved himself up, and then collapsed down into the seat.

Jacqueline Kennedy's WC testimony

Mr. RANKIN. And did you stop at any time after the shots, or proceed about the same way?
Mrs. KENNEDY. I don't know, because--I don't think we stopped. But there was such confusion. And I was down in the car and everyone was yelling to get to the hospital and you could hear them on the radio, and then suddenly I remember a sensation of enormous speed, which must have been when we took off.
Mr. RANKIN. And then from there you proceeded as rapidly as possible to the hospital, is that right?
Mrs. KENNEDY. Yes.

The follow up SS car had Hickey standing watch with his AR-15 which he kept within the car at a convenient location.



Hickey's original report.

At the end of the last report I reached to the bottom of the car and picked up the AR 15 rifle, cocked and loaded it, and turned to the rear. At this point the cars were passing under the over-pass and as a result we had left the scene of the shooting. I kept the AR 15 rifle ready as we proceeded at a high rate of speed to the hospital.
Agent Clint Hill was riding across the rear and the top of IOOX in a horizontal position. He looked into the rear of IOOX and turned toward 679X and shook his head several times. I received the impression that the President at the least was very seriously injured. A few moments later shift leader Emory Roberts turned to the rest of us in the car and said words to the effect that when we arrive at the hospital some of us would have to give additional protection to the Vice President and take him to a place of safety. He assigned two of the agents in the car to this duty. I was told to have the AR 15 ready for use if needed.

JohnM

[Royell Storing]

    John - If you prefer to ignore the obvious, OK by me. Just trying to help you out.
   Why would you expect anybody plugged into law enforcement/politics to step outta line?
   For openers, when was the last time you looked at any images from that Parkland Hospital Emergency area? We can see the JFK Limo, the Queen Mary car stopped somewhat cattywampus behind it, and we even see the LBJ Convertible. So....... where is the Lead Car?? The LEAD Car should have been the very 1st vehicle into that Emergency Area if it did LEAD the JFK Limo into that area. (The WRONG Area). You claim that nobody stopped, they all go hell bent for Parkland Hospital, yet somehow the Lead Car goes POOF?? Where's the Lead Car?

[John Mytton]

    John - If you prefer to ignore the obvious, OK by me. Just trying to help you out.
   Why would you expect anybody plugged into law enforcement/politics to step outta line?
   For openers, when was the last time you looked at any images from that Parkland Hospital Emergency area? We can see the JFK Limo, the Queen Mary car stopped somewhat cattywampus behind it, and we even see the LBJ Convertible. So....... where is the Lead Car?? The LEAD Car should have been the very 1st vehicle into that Emergency Area if it did LEAD the JFK Limo into that area. (The WRONG Area). You claim that nobody stopped, they all go hell bent for Parkland Hospital, yet somehow the Lead Car goes POOF?? Where's the Lead Car?

You claim that nobody stopped, they all go hell bent for Parkland Hospital, yet somehow the Lead Car goes POOF?? Where's the Lead Car?

What is the same make and model of car that appears out in front in Altgens 7, can also be seen out in front at Parkland. Oops!
I can also make out in both photos what appears to be a radio antenna over the right side door! Double Ooooops!







Btw watch out Paul Ernst, there's a new sheriff in Town and I'm comin for ya! Hahahahahahahahaha!

JohnM

[Royell Storing]

What is the same make and model of car that appears out in front in Altgens 7, can also be seen out in front at Parkland. Oops!
I can also make out in both photos what appears to be a radio antenna over the right side door! Double Ooooops!







Btw watch out Paul Ernst, there's a new sheriff in Town and I'm comin for ya! Hahahahahahahahaha!

JohnM

    Thanks for following the bread crumbs. You failed to see who exited that car. As you can see, the JFK Limo has the top assembled/completely on. That photo was taken Well AFTER the JFK Limo arrived at Parkland Hospital. Also, the Exceptionally Long antenna on the Lead Car is positioned on the (L) Front Fender. 

[John Mytton]

    Thanks for following the bread crumbs. You failed to see who exited that car. As you can see, the JFK Limo has the top assembled/completely on. That photo was taken Well AFTER the JFK Limo arrived at Parkland Hospital. Also, the Exceptionally Long antenna on the Lead Car is positioned on the (L) Front Fender.

Thanks for following the bread crumbs.

Picking up the pieces after another one of your Earth Shattering Blunders is a pleasure.

You failed to see who exited that car.

Curry tells us that he got out of the car which you can see the cars location in the photo I posted and organised stretchers for President Kennedy and Governor Connally and watched them being stretchered into the hospital.

Representative FORD - Did you get this order over the PA system before the second and third shots?
Mr. CURRY - I don't believe so, I am not sure. I am not positive. Because they were in pretty rapid succession. But after I noticed some commotion in the President's car and a motorcycle officer ran up aside of me and I asked him what had happened and he said shots had been fired, and I said, "Has the President been hit or has the President's party been hit? And he said, "I am sure they have."
I said, "Take us to the hospital immediately," and I got on the radio and I told them to notify Parkland Hospital to stand by for an emergency, and this is approximately, I would say, perhaps a couple of miles or so to Parkland Hospital from this, and we went to Parkland and I notified them to have them to be standing by for an emergency, and we went out there under siren escort and went into the emergency entrance.
As I recall, I got out of the car and rushed to the emergency entrance and told them to bring the stretchers out, and they loaded the President, President Kennedy and Governor Connally onto stretchers and took them into the hospital.
Mrs. Kennedy, I went into the hospital, and I know she was outside the door of where they were working with the President, and someone suggested to her that she sit down and she was very calm, and she said, "I am all right. Some of your people need to sit down more than I do."
But everyone was very concerned. I remained around the hospital. I was contacted by some of the special sergeants who asked me to stand by in my car and get another car and take the President, then Vice President Johnson to Love Field.

That photo was taken Well AFTER the JFK Limo arrived at Parkland Hospital.

Yes the large gathered crowd indicates the photo was taken after they arrived, so what! That doesn't change the fact that your initial Bogus declaration that "yet somehow the Lead Car goes POOF?? Where's the Lead Car?" was just the latest piece of Royell misinformation.

JohnM