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Re: Stop With The Limo Stop
« Reply #112 on: November 14, 2023, 10:21:28 AM »
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As we have seen in the interview I posted, Jenkins describes a massive head wound that involves the whole upper right side of JFK's skull from just behind the hairline to the back of his head. It is the same wound we see in the Z-film.
Also assisting with the autopsy that night was Paul O' Connor. In his ARRB interview he describes the wound as follows:

 "O‘Connor described the defect as being in the region from the "...Occiptal around the temporal and parietal regions." He
 said there was a "...massive hole, no little hole." O'Connor believes the bullet came in from the front right and blew out
 the top
."




The Z-film shows a massive head wound in which a large portion of JFK's skull has been blown upwards. Various pieces of his skull were found after the assassination, as these were blown away from his head they ripped the scalp and a large piece of scalp was blown over to the right hand side of his head. This is the wound Jenkins describes in great detail - it is a large piece of scalp that has bone still attached to it and can be put back in place because where it is still attached to the head acts as a kind of 'hinge.
In the pic above we can see the very large piece of bone still attached to the inside of the scalp which has been blown over to the right hand side of his head.
Floyd Reibe was assisting Stringer with the photography during the autopsy. During his ARRB interview he describes what he saw as follows:

Q: Did you see any other—in addition to that injury that you just described, did you see any other injuries to the head?
A: Yes, there was a flap of bone over on the side above the temporal area.


Jerrol Custer, Ebersole's assistant, was asked to comment on the head injury in detail. This is from "An Analysis of the ARRB Testimony of Jerrol Custer":

“The head was so unstable due to the -the fractures. The fractures were extremely numerous. It was like somebody took a hard-boiled egg, and just rolled it in her hand. And that’s exactly what the head was like… The only thing that held it together was the skin. And even that was loose...This is where all the trauma was (on the right side), right here… Right anatomical side again".
He describes a “large gaping hole” in the right parietal area (in the side, above the ear), which he believed was the exit to a frontal wound that entered into Kennedy’s right eye socket. Custer was asked to analyze Exhibit 206, a lateral side view X-ray of the skull to compare to his observations during the autopsy. He described a large “kidney-shaped” area that was missing from the parietal/temporal (the side of the skull above the jaw). He explains that the hole would have been large enough for him to put both of his hands , clasped together, into the skull cavity. To verify this, he explains that in the right lateral X-ray the cella Turcica is visible. This feature, known as the “Turk’s Chair”, is the portion of the skull that holds the pituitary gland within the interior of the skull. According to Custer, the only way that this feature would be visible in an X-ray was if the side of the skull was missing. In regard to the absent portion of the skull, he states, “The anatomical right side, this is all blackened in (on the X-ray exposure) – which shows there is no tissue, no bone, no nothing.” He stated that none of the bullet damage went into the occipital (back to side of head, above the neck), but that those portions were fractured. His description of the location of this damage is as follows: “The larger wound would have to be further back. This one isn’t as bad, towards the temporal region. It was open. But the more you went further back, the more destruction you had… Most of the destruction was towards the occipital area… You still had the orbital ridge (bone under the eyebrow). The frontal forehead was still here. But the further back you got, the worse the destruction became. And the more gaping the hole became.” Custer states that, in his opinion, a large piece of the temporal bone was missing, and the occipital region had significant damage, but pieces of the skull were still present."


Compare this to Ebersole's "analysis" of the head wound. Compare the forensic detail given by Jenkins to Ebersole's "analysis" of the head wound.
The take away from this is description is that the massive gaping wound to the upper right portion of JFK's skull was "large enough for him to put both of his hands, clasped together, into the skull cavity." It is a truly massive wound. Humes measures it at 13cm long at it's widest.
It is the same wound shown in the Z-film and in the autopsy pictures.
As Jenkins reveals - the whole upper right side of JFK's head could be opened up and then closed. Those who witnessed JFK while the massive portion of the wound was closed were only aware of the gaping wound toward the rear of his head.

There is no mystery here.
No need for any film alteration [something that was virtually impossible to do anyway as it would have required alteration of Muchmore, Nix and Bronson in such a way that all films perfectly agreed with each other]
There was massive damage to the rear part of JFK's skull but it was only part of a much larger wound that encompassed virtually the whole upper right side of his head.
The Z-film shows a massive crater in the top of JFK's head as a result of the head shot, it shows pieces of skull/brain matter being blown into the air, it shows the massive flap of scalp blown to the right side of his head with bone still attached to it.

Jenkins, Custer, O' Connor, Riebe, Humes, Boswell and Finck all describe a truly massive head wound, mainly to the top of the skull, extending front to back.
The Z-film shows this wound.
The autopsy pictures show this wound.




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Re: Stop With The Limo Stop
« Reply #112 on: November 14, 2023, 10:21:28 AM »


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Re: Stop With The Limo Stop
« Reply #113 on: November 14, 2023, 12:08:24 PM »
As we have seen in the interview I posted, Jenkins describes a massive head wound that involves the whole upper right side of JFK's skull from just behind the hairline to the back of his head. It is the same wound we see in the Z-film.
Also assisting with the autopsy that night was Paul O' Connor. In his ARRB interview he describes the wound as follows:

 "O‘Connor described the defect as being in the region from the "...Occiptal around the temporal and parietal regions." He
 said there was a "...massive hole, no little hole." O'Connor believes the bullet came in from the front right and blew out
 the top
."




The Z-film shows a massive head wound in which a large portion of JFK's skull has been blown upwards. Various pieces of his skull were found after the assassination, as these were blown away from his head they ripped the scalp and a large piece of scalp was blown over to the right hand side of his head. This is the wound Jenkins describes in great detail - it is a large piece of scalp that has bone still attached to it and can be put back in place because where it is still attached to the head acts as a kind of 'hinge.
In the pic above we can see the very large piece of bone still attached to the inside of the scalp which has been blown over to the right hand side of his head.
Floyd Reibe was assisting Stringer with the photography during the autopsy. During his ARRB interview he describes what he saw as follows:

Q: Did you see any other—in addition to that injury that you just described, did you see any other injuries to the head?
A: Yes, there was a flap of bone over on the side above the temporal area.


Jerrol Custer, Ebersole's assistant, was asked to comment on the head injury in detail. This is from "An Analysis of the ARRB Testimony of Jerrol Custer":

“The head was so unstable due to the -the fractures. The fractures were extremely numerous. It was like somebody took a hard-boiled egg, and just rolled it in her hand. And that’s exactly what the head was like… The only thing that held it together was the skin. And even that was loose...This is where all the trauma was (on the right side), right here… Right anatomical side again".
He describes a “large gaping hole” in the right parietal area (in the side, above the ear), which he believed was the exit to a frontal wound that entered into Kennedy’s right eye socket. Custer was asked to analyze Exhibit 206, a lateral side view X-ray of the skull to compare to his observations during the autopsy. He described a large “kidney-shaped” area that was missing from the parietal/temporal (the side of the skull above the jaw). He explains that the hole would have been large enough for him to put both of his hands , clasped together, into the skull cavity. To verify this, he explains that in the right lateral X-ray the cella Turcica is visible. This feature, known as the “Turk’s Chair”, is the portion of the skull that holds the pituitary gland within the interior of the skull. According to Custer, the only way that this feature would be visible in an X-ray was if the side of the skull was missing. In regard to the absent portion of the skull, he states, “The anatomical right side, this is all blackened in (on the X-ray exposure) – which shows there is no tissue, no bone, no nothing.” He stated that none of the bullet damage went into the occipital (back to side of head, above the neck), but that those portions were fractured. His description of the location of this damage is as follows: “The larger wound would have to be further back. This one isn’t as bad, towards the temporal region. It was open. But the more you went further back, the more destruction you had… Most of the destruction was towards the occipital area… You still had the orbital ridge (bone under the eyebrow). The frontal forehead was still here. But the further back you got, the worse the destruction became. And the more gaping the hole became.” Custer states that, in his opinion, a large piece of the temporal bone was missing, and the occipital region had significant damage, but pieces of the skull were still present."


Compare this to Ebersole's "analysis" of the head wound. Compare the forensic detail given by Jenkins to Ebersole's "analysis" of the head wound.
The take away from this is description is that the massive gaping wound to the upper right portion of JFK's skull was "large enough for him to put both of his hands, clasped together, into the skull cavity." It is a truly massive wound. Humes measures it at 13cm long at it's widest.
It is the same wound shown in the Z-film and in the autopsy pictures.
As Jenkins reveals - the whole upper right side of JFK's head could be opened up and then closed. Those who witnessed JFK while the massive portion of the wound was closed were only aware of the gaping wound toward the rear of his head.

There is no mystery here.
No need for any film alteration [something that was virtually impossible to do anyway as it would have required alteration of Muchmore, Nix and Bronson in such a way that all films perfectly agreed with each other]
There was massive damage to the rear part of JFK's skull but it was only part of a much larger wound that encompassed virtually the whole upper right side of his head.
The Z-film shows a massive crater in the top of JFK's head as a result of the head shot, it shows pieces of skull/brain matter being blown into the air, it shows the massive flap of scalp blown to the right side of his head with bone still attached to it.

Jenkins, Custer, O' Connor, Riebe, Humes, Boswell and Finck all describe a truly massive head wound, mainly to the top of the skull, extending front to back.
The Z-film shows this wound.
The autopsy pictures show this wound.

Hi Dan, Dr. Ebersole, who is in charge of the autopsy x-rays took two sets of x-rays of the skull, the chest and the trunk. He noticed a neatly sewn incision on the president's neck just as described by the Parkland doctors. He noticed the messy head wound in the back of the president's head, just like the Parkland doctors. Dr. Ebersole handled and x-rayed the occipital bone from the back of the president's head from Dallas. Robert Knudsen's HSCA testimony cannot be authenticated by his audio testimony which is a woman reading a transcript and then a man talking about tax information. According to the Knudsens, who are his wife and son and daughter, Robert Knudsen was gone for three days; he filmed the autopsy and anytime you see a picture like this, it is fake! Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael
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Re: Stop With The Limo Stop
« Reply #114 on: November 14, 2023, 01:07:26 PM »
As we have seen in the interview I posted, Jenkins describes a massive head wound that involves the whole upper right side of JFK's skull from just behind the hairline to the back of his head. It is the same wound we see in the Z-film.
Also assisting with the autopsy that night was Paul O' Connor. In his ARRB interview he describes the wound as follows:

 "O‘Connor described the defect as being in the region from the "...Occiptal around the temporal and parietal regions." He
 said there was a "...massive hole, no little hole." O'Connor believes the bullet came in from the front right and blew out
 the top
."




The Z-film shows a massive head wound in which a large portion of JFK's skull has been blown upwards. Various pieces of his skull were found after the assassination, as these were blown away from his head they ripped the scalp and a large piece of scalp was blown over to the right hand side of his head. This is the wound Jenkins describes in great detail - it is a large piece of scalp that has bone still attached to it and can be put back in place because where it is still attached to the head acts as a kind of 'hinge.
In the pic above we can see the very large piece of bone still attached to the inside of the scalp which has been blown over to the right hand side of his head.
Floyd Reibe was assisting Stringer with the photography during the autopsy. During his ARRB interview he describes what he saw as follows:

Q: Did you see any other—in addition to that injury that you just described, did you see any other injuries to the head?
A: Yes, there was a flap of bone over on the side above the temporal area.


Jerrol Custer, Ebersole's assistant, was asked to comment on the head injury in detail. This is from "An Analysis of the ARRB Testimony of Jerrol Custer":

“The head was so unstable due to the -the fractures. The fractures were extremely numerous. It was like somebody took a hard-boiled egg, and just rolled it in her hand. And that’s exactly what the head was like… The only thing that held it together was the skin. And even that was loose...This is where all the trauma was (on the right side), right here… Right anatomical side again".
He describes a “large gaping hole” in the right parietal area (in the side, above the ear), which he believed was the exit to a frontal wound that entered into Kennedy’s right eye socket. Custer was asked to analyze Exhibit 206, a lateral side view X-ray of the skull to compare to his observations during the autopsy. He described a large “kidney-shaped” area that was missing from the parietal/temporal (the side of the skull above the jaw). He explains that the hole would have been large enough for him to put both of his hands , clasped together, into the skull cavity. To verify this, he explains that in the right lateral X-ray the cella Turcica is visible. This feature, known as the “Turk’s Chair”, is the portion of the skull that holds the pituitary gland within the interior of the skull. According to Custer, the only way that this feature would be visible in an X-ray was if the side of the skull was missing. In regard to the absent portion of the skull, he states, “The anatomical right side, this is all blackened in (on the X-ray exposure) – which shows there is no tissue, no bone, no nothing.” He stated that none of the bullet damage went into the occipital (back to side of head, above the neck), but that those portions were fractured. His description of the location of this damage is as follows: “The larger wound would have to be further back. This one isn’t as bad, towards the temporal region. It was open. But the more you went further back, the more destruction you had… Most of the destruction was towards the occipital area… You still had the orbital ridge (bone under the eyebrow). The frontal forehead was still here. But the further back you got, the worse the destruction became. And the more gaping the hole became.” Custer states that, in his opinion, a large piece of the temporal bone was missing, and the occipital region had significant damage, but pieces of the skull were still present."


Compare this to Ebersole's "analysis" of the head wound. Compare the forensic detail given by Jenkins to Ebersole's "analysis" of the head wound.
The take away from this is description is that the massive gaping wound to the upper right portion of JFK's skull was "large enough for him to put both of his hands, clasped together, into the skull cavity." It is a truly massive wound. Humes measures it at 13cm long at it's widest.
It is the same wound shown in the Z-film and in the autopsy pictures.
As Jenkins reveals - the whole upper right side of JFK's head could be opened up and then closed. Those who witnessed JFK while the massive portion of the wound was closed were only aware of the gaping wound toward the rear of his head.

There is no mystery here.
No need for any film alteration [something that was virtually impossible to do anyway as it would have required alteration of Muchmore, Nix and Bronson in such a way that all films perfectly agreed with each other]
There was massive damage to the rear part of JFK's skull but it was only part of a much larger wound that encompassed virtually the whole upper right side of his head.
The Z-film shows a massive crater in the top of JFK's head as a result of the head shot, it shows pieces of skull/brain matter being blown into the air, it shows the massive flap of scalp blown to the right side of his head with bone still attached to it.

Jenkins, Custer, O' Connor, Riebe, Humes, Boswell and Finck all describe a truly massive head wound, mainly to the top of the skull, extending front to back.
The Z-film shows this wound.
The autopsy pictures show this wound.

      So are you saying: (1) Z Film is legit, (2) JFK was shot from the Front Right? If you trot out O'Connor, this is what you get, Grasshopper.

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Re: Stop With The Limo Stop
« Reply #114 on: November 14, 2023, 01:07:26 PM »


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Re: Stop With The Limo Stop
« Reply #115 on: November 14, 2023, 03:29:58 PM »
      So are you saying: (1) Z Film is legit, (2) JFK was shot from the Front Right? If you trot out O'Connor, this is what you get, Grasshopper.

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Why do you bother posting anything.
You never have anything of interest or relevance to say.
I admire your consistency and tenacity but I don't get the point of it.
Look back at what I posted, the various testimonies, the graphics, the arguments I'm putting forward and the evidence supporting these arguments.
Look at the depth and the effort I'm going to and all you can come up with is "If you trot out O'Connor, this is what you get, Grasshopper."
Do you see how stupid that looks?
Do you see how irrelevant that is?


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Re: Stop With The Limo Stop
« Reply #116 on: November 14, 2023, 06:43:39 PM »
I forgot to include the ARRB testimony of John Stringer, the man who took the autopsy photos:

Q: Was there a wound in the occipital region of the President -
Stringer: Yes. the entry.
Q: By “the entry", you mean what?
Stringer: Where the bullet went.
Q: And how big was the entry wound?
Stringer: About the size of a bullet, from what you could see. On the inside where the bone was, I guess it was different.
Q: Could you describe what the skull looked like as best you can now recall?
Stringer: Well...the side of the head, the bone was gone. But there was a flap, where you could lay it back. But the back...It was a complete head of hair


Stringer goes on to stress that it was the right side of JFK's skull that was "gone". He also notes that, apart from the bullet hole, the scalp at the back of the head was intact. It was only when the scalp was reflected that the bone damage to the occipital area became apparent.
This is the same injury Jenkins describes - the bone on the side of the head was gone but there was a flap of scalp that could be laid back in position.

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Re: Stop With The Limo Stop
« Reply #117 on: November 14, 2023, 07:53:38 PM »
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Why do you bother posting anything.
You never have anything of interest or relevance to say.
I admire your consistency and tenacity but I don't get the point of it.
Look back at what I posted, the various testimonies, the graphics, the arguments I'm putting forward and the evidence supporting these arguments.
Look at the depth and the effort I'm going to and all you can come up with is "If you trot out O'Connor, this is what you get, Grasshopper."
Do you see how stupid that looks?
Do you see how irrelevant that is?

    This is what you get when you use O'Connor to "support?" your position. O'Connor clearly states, "FRONT RIGHT". I understand your frustration, but he is Your witness. Think it through, Grasshopper.

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« Reply #118 on: November 15, 2023, 01:19:03 AM »
    This is what you get when you use O'Connor to "support?" your position. O'Connor clearly states, "FRONT RIGHT". I understand your frustration, but he is Your witness. Think it through, Grasshopper.

You don't even realise what sh^t you're talking, do you Royell?
You really don't know.
It isn't my fault that the testimonies of Jenkins, O' Connor, Riebe, Humes, Boswell and Stringer all support the massive head injury shown in the Z-film and the autopsy pics.
I'm just recording the testimonies of the people who actually saw the full extent of JFK's head wound.
That the head wound was massive, that bone was blown away from the top of his head, that the injury covered almost all of the upper right hand side of JFK's skull and that a massive piece of scalp that had bone still attached to it was blown down the right side of his head. And that this massive flap of scalp could be put back in place, covering the full extent of the wound.

You don't accept any of this corroborating evidence because you're a Tinfoil Nutter.

But the thing you really need to realise is this - just because somebody provides a piece of evidence it doesn't mean we have to accept that person's interpretation of the evidence.
Do you understand this concept Royell?
O' Conner describes a massive wound that extended from the "...Occiptal around the temporal and parietal regions"..."a massive hole" and that the shot "blew out the top" of JFK's skull. That is descriptive evidence of what O' Connor saw.
That O' Connor thought it resulted from a frontal shot is just his opinion!
It's just his opinion, Royell.
Don't you understand the difference between the two things?
Don't you understand that, just because O' Connors' description of the wound is consistent with all the other testimony, the Z-film and the autopsy pictures, it doesn't mean I have to accept his interpretation of how that injury occurred.

You must surely be able to see the difference between the two things and you must surely see what a fool you've made of yourself pursuing this point.


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Re: Stop With The Limo Stop
« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2023, 01:36:41 AM »
Out of interest and just to get back to the topic.
If there are any other Tinfoil Nutjobs who believe a limo stop was deleted from the Z-film, how do you propose this was done?