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Offline Keyvan Shahrdar

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2018, 07:59:46 PM »
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Hi Steve,

Lee Harvey Oswald is as guilty as sin.  Just because there is no photographic evidence does not mean that he was not involved.  There is a preponderance of the evidence that he was involved.  His rifle, his alias, documentation, fleeing the scene, ... 

Just because he was the patsy does not mean that he is innocent.

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Online Robert Reeves

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2018, 08:10:07 PM »
Personally ... I don't believe Beverly Oliver was in the plaza. I've listened to her talk about the assassination several times and the story she spouts doesn't sound like it comes from a first-hand witness. She gives me the impression of someone saying what she's heard happened. She was supposedly witness to something horrific ... considering the proximity she'd have been at. But she just comes across as someone trying to make a living from the story she might have gatecrashed.

Going by the company she was keeping - RD Mathews, Jack Ruby, Joseph Campisi, etc, wouldn't really be too hard to imagine she's just another chancer - like those lot.

Although, saying I don't believe she was there ... I was reading through an old thread about Jack Lawrence, and it was brought up by a researcher that Beverly Oliver claimed to have been dancing with JL at the Egyptian Lounge on the night before the assassination. She knew Ruby, RD, her old man was a mobster crook. What if she was really there, in the plaza, that she was filming the assassination knowing the big bucks a film of the event would give her/them. Kinda interesting theory.

Maybe the real Babushka lady was someone B. Oliver had heard was there for just that reason. Just in case the film ever turned up  - she decided to fill the starring role.

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Re: The Babushka Lady is a conspirator.
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2018, 08:17:08 PM »
Hi Steve,

Lee Harvey Oswald is as guilty as sin.  Just because there is no photographic evidence does not mean that he was not involved.  There is a preponderance of the evidence that he was involved.  His rifle, his alias, documentation, fleeing the scene, ... 

Just because he was the patsy does not mean that he is innocent.

So you think he was willingly involved but as a cog in a larger conspiracy? And then was left to take the sole blame?

He was a patsy not in the sense of being innocent but in being abandoned? The fall guy? And that's why he was killed? To silence him?

But why let him be arrested - after all, he could talk - and then have to kill him?

Look at his behavior. Ten days before the assassination he goes to the FBI and leaves a rather provocative note. That's drawing attention to him. He's been watched and interviewed by the FBI because of his defection to the USSR. He's had run ins with the local authorities. He has to get to the assassination scene using a ride from a friend. He has four bullets and uses a rickety not well-maintained rifle. Why not give him a better weapon? And a more secure way to get to the building? And let's be blunt, Oswald is not exactly a guy you can rely on. He's a crank.


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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Babushka Lady is a conspirator.
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2018, 08:28:58 PM »
Hi Steve,

Lee Harvey Oswald is as guilty as sin.  Just because there is no photographic evidence does not mean that he was not involved.  There is a preponderance of the evidence that he was involved.  His rifle, his alias, documentation, fleeing the scene, ... 

Just because he was the patsy does not mean that he is innocent.

His rifle, his alias, documentation, fleeing the scene, ... 

There is no solid proof that the Lee Oswald owned that carcano in November of 1963...... Lee Oswald MAY? have ordered a carcano and used the name Hidell in March of 1963...Which was a time when he and George De Morhenschildt were preparing the hoax attempt to shoot General Walker.   But that was nine months before JFK was murdered....  We have no idea where the carcano was in that period between April and November.

FLEEING?? the scene??    Yer jokin.....  Sitting on a city transit bus that is parked would only be described as "Fleeing the scene" by someone who has taken leave of their senses......

Offline Tom Scully

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2018, 08:32:28 PM »
Hi Tom,
Thank you for your reply.
I have done the following in this post:
1. Shown photographic evidence of shooters in the pergola.
2. Shown that the Babushka Lady turned some type of flashlights that pointed in the direction of the pergola.
3. Shown circumstantial evidence that the Babushka lady is part of a broader conspiracy to assassinate JFK.

It is up to the user to decide how to interpret this information I provided.

Certainly, your comments are welcomed if you agree to disagree with the information I posted here.

If your presentation is not picture perfect for this forum venue:

   JFK Assassination Photographic Evidence Discussion & Debate

.....what presentation would be?

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Online Royell Storing

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2018, 08:48:45 PM »
If your presentation is not picture perfect for this forum venue:

   JFK Assassination Photographic Evidence Discussion & Debate

.....what presentation would be?

         Strange, but this Thread seems to have generated a lot of DISCUSSION & DEBATE.

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Re: The Babushka Lady is a conspirator.
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2018, 08:59:16 PM »

          Keyvan - Just remember that the Pergola Image you have posted has been colorized. Tread lightly when arriving at an opinion based on a JFK Assassination Image that has been monkeyed with. Also, Sitzman was interviewed by Tink Thompson for his 1966 Best Seller, "Six Seconds In Dallas".  This interview was conducted roughly 3 years after the assassination = her memories of that day being relatively fresh. It is a wide ranging interview including her describing what she did & what was going on around her Before, During, and After the assassination. You can google this interview and read it in its' Entirety. Highly recommend.   

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2018, 09:02:38 PM »

Here is a picture of two of the assassins as shown in a colorized version of the Mary Moorman photo inside the pergola at Dealey Plaza.  To the right of the assassins, you can see Mr. Zapruder and Ms. Sitzman filming.



I don't see the two assassins. Can you point them out please?