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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: The Babushka Lady is a conspirator.
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2018, 08:17:08 PM »
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Hi Steve,

Lee Harvey Oswald is as guilty as sin.  Just because there is no photographic evidence does not mean that he was not involved.  There is a preponderance of the evidence that he was involved.  His rifle, his alias, documentation, fleeing the scene, ... 

Just because he was the patsy does not mean that he is innocent.

So you think he was willingly involved but as a cog in a larger conspiracy? And then was left to take the sole blame?

He was a patsy not in the sense of being innocent but in being abandoned? The fall guy? And that's why he was killed? To silence him?

But why let him be arrested - after all, he could talk - and then have to kill him?

Look at his behavior. Ten days before the assassination he goes to the FBI and leaves a rather provocative note. That's drawing attention to him. He's been watched and interviewed by the FBI because of his defection to the USSR. He's had run ins with the local authorities. He has to get to the assassination scene using a ride from a friend. He has four bullets and uses a rickety not well-maintained rifle. Why not give him a better weapon? And a more secure way to get to the building? And let's be blunt, Oswald is not exactly a guy you can rely on. He's a crank.


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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2018, 08:28:58 PM »
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Hi Steve,

Lee Harvey Oswald is as guilty as sin.  Just because there is no photographic evidence does not mean that he was not involved.  There is a preponderance of the evidence that he was involved.  His rifle, his alias, documentation, fleeing the scene, ... 

Just because he was the patsy does not mean that he is innocent.

His rifle, his alias, documentation, fleeing the scene, ... 

There is no solid proof that the Lee Oswald owned that carcano in November of 1963...... Lee Oswald MAY? have ordered a carcano and used the name Hidell in March of 1963...Which was a time when he and George De Morhenschildt were preparing the hoax attempt to shoot General Walker.   But that was nine months before JFK was murdered....  We have no idea where the carcano was in that period between April and November.

FLEEING?? the scene??    Yer jokin.....  Sitting on a city transit bus that is parked would only be described as "Fleeing the scene" by someone who has taken leave of their senses......

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2018, 08:32:28 PM »
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Hi Tom,
Thank you for your reply.
I have done the following in this post:
1. Shown photographic evidence of shooters in the pergola.
2. Shown that the Babushka Lady turned some type of flashlights that pointed in the direction of the pergola.
3. Shown circumstantial evidence that the Babushka lady is part of a broader conspiracy to assassinate JFK.

It is up to the user to decide how to interpret this information I provided.

Certainly, your comments are welcomed if you agree to disagree with the information I posted here.

If your presentation is not picture perfect for this forum venue:

   JFK Assassination Photographic Evidence Discussion & Debate

.....what presentation would be?

Online Royell Storing

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2018, 08:48:45 PM »
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If your presentation is not picture perfect for this forum venue:

   JFK Assassination Photographic Evidence Discussion & Debate

.....what presentation would be?

         Strange, but this Thread seems to have generated a lot of DISCUSSION & DEBATE.

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Re: The Babushka Lady is a conspirator.
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2018, 08:59:16 PM »

          Keyvan - Just remember that the Pergola Image you have posted has been colorized. Tread lightly when arriving at an opinion based on a JFK Assassination Image that has been monkeyed with. Also, Sitzman was interviewed by Tink Thompson for his 1966 Best Seller, "Six Seconds In Dallas".  This interview was conducted roughly 3 years after the assassination = her memories of that day being relatively fresh. It is a wide ranging interview including her describing what she did & what was going on around her Before, During, and After the assassination. You can google this interview and read it in its' Entirety. Highly recommend.   

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2018, 09:02:38 PM »
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Here is a picture of two of the assassins as shown in a colorized version of the Mary Moorman photo inside the pergola at Dealey Plaza.  To the right of the assassins, you can see Mr. Zapruder and Ms. Sitzman filming.



I don't see the two assassins. Can you point them out please?

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Re: The Babushka Lady is a conspirator.
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2018, 09:13:57 PM »
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So you think he was willingly involved but as a cog in a larger conspiracy? And then was left to take the sole blame?

He was a patsy not in the sense of being innocent but in being abandoned? The fall guy? And that's why he was killed? To silence him?

But why let him be arrested - after all, he could talk - and then have to kill him?

Look at his behavior. Ten days before the assassination he goes to the FBI and leaves a rather provocative note. That's drawing attention to him. He's been watched and interviewed by the FBI because of his defection to the USSR. He's had run ins with the local authorities. He has to get to the assassination scene using a ride from a friend. He has four bullets and uses a rickety not well-maintained rifle. Why not give him a better weapon? And a more secure way to get to the building? And let's be blunt, Oswald is not exactly a guy you can rely on. He's a crank.

Steve,  The following is my opinion in most parts.

1. There is more to the story and I really do not want to spend hours writing about it in one thread.  I will, however, write about what my research has uncovered with documentation and suppositions in other threads eventually.
2. Three tramps were arrested the same day that Oswald was arrested.(Fact)  One of these tramps, Harold Doyle, was photographed with what seems to be the butt of a rifle in his left lapel.  These three tramps are the pergola assassin team.
3. According to the CIA, Oswald was in Mexico meeting with the Cuban and Russian consulates to get a visa to go to either Cuba or Russia.
4. The architects of this conspiracy wanted to tie Oswald with the Cuban and Russian government.
5. Oswald is married to a Russian.
6. His family is staying with the Payne family in Dallas, Tx. Ruth Payne, who befriends Marina speaks Russian.
7. Oswald befriends a Russian immigrant George de Mohrenschildt, who has a CIA file dating back to the 50's.(Newly released records show) 
8. Everything Oswald points to Russian contacts.
9. Oswald is the perfect patsy.
10. I believe Oswald's plan was to get out of the country.  That is why he used a Russian sounding alias - Alek Hidell.
11. We really do not know if he used the Carcano Rifle to shoot at the president.
12. He could have had two Rifles in the building. 
13. His plan was to leave the rifle purchased by Alek Hiddell stashed somewhere where it was easy to find.  The FBI would have linked it to Alek Hidell.
14. Reports of a Mouser rifle found at TSTB are reported to the media at first.
15. If Oswald never fled the TSTB building, he would have been let go at first.
16. Oswald probably freaked out and fled.
17. Investigators would have eventually figured out what Oswald did with his Alias.
18. He would have been in Cuba or Russia by the time the FBI would have found out.
19. The USA would have cause to invade Cuba, as the narrative would have been Fidel hired Oswald to kill JFK.
20. I don't think Ruby was involved.
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Re: The Babushka Lady is a conspirator.
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2018, 09:21:00 PM »
Very interesting OP and worthy of discussion here.

My opinion is that the Babushka lady was in fact Mary Meyer and other photos of Dealey Plaza show numerous views of a tall man in a hat whom I think is Cord Meyer.  JFK was sleeping with Mary, Cord Meyer's wife.  JFK and Cord Meyer had a history of being rivals and later enemies.  The positions where Cord was photographed included one near the Babushka Lady I believe around the Houston and Main area.

Maybe Mary was a kind of honey trap to find out what JFK was thinking and planning.  When she reported back about his intentions of Peace for the Cold War and exiting Vietnam the decision was taken that JFK had to be killed.

This still means that Meyer as Babushka Lady could have played a part in the assassination plot and team.

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Re: The Babushka Lady is a conspirator.
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2018, 09:23:42 PM »
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          Keyvan - Just remember that the Pergola Image you have posted has been colorized. Tread lightly when arriving at an opinion based on a JFK Assassination Image that has been monkeyed with. Also, Sitzman was interviewed by Tink Thompson for his 1966 Best Seller, "Six Seconds In Dallas".  This interview was conducted roughly 3 years after the assassination = her memories of that day being relatively fresh. It is a wide ranging interview including her describing what she did & what was going on around her Before, During, and After the assassination. You can google this interview and read it in its' Entirety. Highly recommend.

Royell,  The Mary Moorman photograph shows those images in black and white.  I have seen a copy from the FBI, it shows the same thing.  You can see shots fired from that area in the Nix Film.  JFK's head exploding coincides with the frame with one of the shots in the Nix Film.  Do your own research, you may come up with the same educated conclusion.

I don't believe anything JFK unless I can prove it with photographic or film evidence.  Everything else is bunk!

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Re: The Babushka Lady is a conspirator.
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2018, 09:33:10 PM »
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When she reported back about his intentions of Peace for the Cold War and exiting Vietnam the decision was taken that JFK had to be killed.


Thanks. That made me laugh. Kennedy's actions forced out the moderate Khrushchev; a world with Kennedy being reckless and militant, and Brezhnev having to respond wouldn't have been nice.

Better globally the way things actually worked with the veteran statesmen Johnson and Nixon seeking detente and peace.

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