Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?

[Dan O'meara]

The clip shows Lovelady & Shelley going up the Elm St extension and there is no reason to spend decades questioning it...

Frazier made clear that Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps...Calvery told them that she had seen the president shot right in front of her...That stimulated Lovelady & Shelley to hurry up the extension to go see for themselves...

Running Woman in the black skirt and white blouse is most-likely Karen Hicks who can be seen standing in the motorcade spectator crowd with Calvery and Reed...Shelley said he spoke to Calvery by the concrete island but he really meant Hicks...He spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps...

Lovelady & Shelley went from speaking to Calvery at the base of the steps to speaking to Hicks as she ran by the concrete island and then headed to the Rail Yard...They never turned back to the steps...

You're wrong about the identification of Shelley and Lovelady but let's put that to one side for a minute. Earlier you posted:

The Running Woman in the black skirt and white blouse, who Shelley pulls up and quickly talks to as she runs by, is most likely Karen Hicks who followed Calvery & Reed to the steps from where they were watching the motorcade...

I'm going to re-post the clip because I cannot get my head around what you are trying to get away with.
In the clip below, at no point does the woman running past the two men stop, pause or break her stride in anyway.



That you are trying to insist there is some kind of interaction is beyond bizarre.
You must surely retract this statement or you cannot be taken seriously in any way, shape or form.

[Brian Doyle]

You're wrong about the identification of Shelley and Lovelady but let's put that to one side for a minute. Earlier you posted:

The Running Woman in the black skirt and white blouse, who Shelley pulls up and quickly talks to as she runs by, is most likely Karen Hicks who followed Calvery & Reed to the steps from where they were watching the motorcade...

I'm going to re-post the clip because I cannot get my head around what you are trying to get away with.
In the clip below, at no point does the woman running past the two men stop, pause or break her stride in anyway.

That you are trying to insist there is some kind of interaction is beyond bizarre.
You must surely retract this statement or you cannot be taken seriously in any way, shape or form.

     The two men seen going up the extension have been proven to be Lovelady & Shelley...It is one of the very rare things that the Prayer Man author got right...In his close up photo examination of the pair you can see Lovelady's precise plaid pattern in his shirt and bald spot...On Shelley you can see his white collar, black suit jacket, and duck's ass hair doo...It's them doing what they described at the time...If you doubt it you are just not credible, that's all...

   As to Running Woman, I have seen slow motion enlargements of the two men and Running Woman and you can see Shelley pull up and turn his head towards Running Woman to say something...Running Woman also quickly turns her head towards Shelley and answers...It is clearly visible in the slow motion enlargement...The reason why Lovelady overtakes and passes Shelley is because Shelley is pulling up in order to speak to Running Woman who is probably Karen Hicks...Shelley inaccurately described this as speaking to Calvery at the Concrete Island but what really happened was a quick word with Hicks as she ran past...

[Dan O'meara]

     The two men seen going up the extension have been proven to be Lovelady & Shelley...It is one of the very rare things that the Prayer Man author got right...In his close up photo examination of the pair you can see Lovelady's precise plaid pattern in his shirt and bald spot...On Shelley you can see his white collar, black suit jacket, and duck's ass hair doo...It's them doing what they described at the time...If you doubt it you are just not credible, that's all...

   As to Running Woman, I have seen slow motion enlargements of the two men and Running Woman and you can see Shelley pull up and turn his head towards Running Woman to say something...Running Woman also quickly turns her head towards Shelley and answers...It is clearly visible in the slow motion enlargement...The reason why Lovelady overtakes and passes Shelley is because Shelley is pulling up in order to speak to Running Woman who is probably Karen Hicks...Shelley inaccurately described this as speaking to Calvery at the Concrete Island but what really happened was a quick word with Hicks as she ran past...

It's them doing what they described at the time.

And how long after the last shot do you believe this clip takes  place?

I have seen slow motion enlargements of the two men and Running Woman and you can see Shelley pull up and turn his head towards Running Woman to say something...Running Woman also quickly turns her head towards Shelley and answers...It is clearly visible in the slow motion enlargement


Not good enough.
Around here you provide a link to the claims you are making.
Otherwise it could mistaken for lunatic ravings.

In the real time clip the lady runs past both men at speed. There is no hesitation, no interaction. That you are trying to somehow make this out to be the interaction Shelley describes with Gloria Calvery is amazing.

LATER EDIT: Here's another claim I'd like you to verify:

Frazier made clear that Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps

Where does Frazier make this clear?

[Brian Doyle]

Gilbride says Couch/Darnell is 15 seconds after the shots...

I think it is 25 to 30...25 to 30 makes more sense in relation to where Truly & Baker are in their run...

[Michael Welch]

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[Michael Welch]

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[Dan O'meara]

Hi Dan, I guess I was not clear, sorry! I am saying that the Calvery encounter did not happen, the looking at Marrion Baker did not happen; the encounter inside of the TSBD with Vicki Adams and Sandra Styles did not happen; the claim that it took three minutes to leave the steps did not happen, etc. Testimonies are full of errors and manipulation; pictures override these! Thank you for your participation in this fascinating topic! Sincerely yours, Michael

Hi Michael, in my opinion there can be little doubt the encounter with Calvery took place. That she came up to the steps in an almost hysterical state is confirmed by multiple people:

Frazier - "Yes, sir; right before I went back, some girl who had walked down a little bit further where I was standing on the steps, and somebody come back and said somebody had shot President Kennedy...She didn't tell me right directly but she just came back and more or less in a low kind of hollering she just told several people."

Mr. Ball: Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary?
Mr. Molina: Yes.
Mr. Ball: Did Gloria come up?
Ms.. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.
Mr. Ball: What did she say?
Mr. MOLINA. She said "Oh, my God, Joe, he's been shot." They were both horrified. I said "Are you sure he was shot?" She said "Oh, Joe ,I'm sure. I saw his hair fly up and I'm sure he was shot" something to that extent.


There is no doubt Calvery came running up to the steps in a very upset state telling people the President was shot.
It is interesting to note that Officer Baker observes the following as he approaches the TSBD building steps:

Baker - ...there was a woman standing--well, all these people were running, and there was a woman screaming, "Oh, they have shot that man, they have shot that man."


This might be a reference to Calvery who, I believe, raced back to the TSBD building as soon as she saw the headshot and was at the steps before Baker arrived. If this is the case she would've also crossed paths with officer Joe Marshall Smith, who is believed to be the officer at the far end of the Elm Street extension in the Darnell/Couch clip. He reports:

Smith - Yes, sir.; and this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics. She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately proceeded up here.


Both Smith and Baker appear to be reporting a very upset female who was an eye-witness to the shooting, meaning she had very quickly moved from a position further down on Elm Street back to the area immediately in front of the TSBD building. So, when Shelley reports, within two hours of the assassination:

"...I heard what sounded like three shots...I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. This girls name is Gloria Calvery...I went back to the building and went inside and called my wife..."


There is little reason to doubt this.
Obviously, this is a massive problem for the identification yourself and Brian are trying to propose. Your initial attempts to show the "Gloria encounter" were thwarted so you've simply ditched the whole thing as you know how problematic it is for your identification. From fully acknowledging the encounter happened and a failed attempt to demonstrate it, to now taking the stand it never happened. And all within the space of a few short posts.
That's the kind of flexibility many yoga gurus would be proud of.
At least you've not taken Brian's road, who appears to be doubling-down on his insane suggestion that the woman who races straight past the two men within a fraction of a second has, somehow, stopped for a chat.
What's funny is the clip he posted to show this "interaction" in slow motion actually shows "Shelley" looking away from the girl as she streaks past and that "Lovelady" is stood in between the girl and "Shelley" for the nano-second this interaction is supposed to have taken place.
But, like you, his mind is made up and no amount of evidence is going to change that.

That said, I do believe both Shelley and Lovelady are liars but there is a pattern to their lying which doesn't involve the reality of the encounter with Calvery. And why these two so-called ordinary workmen should be lying to the authorities from day one is another subject altogether.

[Michael Welch]

Hi Michael, in my opinion there can be little doubt the encounter with Calvery took place. That she came up to the steps in an almost hysterical state is confirmed by multiple people:

Frazier - "Yes, sir; right before I went back, some girl who had walked down a little bit further where I was standing on the steps, and somebody come back and said somebody had shot President Kennedy...She didn't tell me right directly but she just came back and more or less in a low kind of hollering she just told several people."

Mr. Ball: Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary?
Mr. Molina: Yes.
Mr. Ball: Did Gloria come up?
Ms.. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.
Mr. Ball: What did she say?
Mr. MOLINA. She said "Oh, my God, Joe, he's been shot." They were both horrified. I said "Are you sure he was shot?" She said "Oh, Joe ,I'm sure. I saw his hair fly up and I'm sure he was shot" something to that extent.


There is no doubt Calvery came running up to the steps in a very upset state telling people the President was shot.
It is interesting to note that Officer Baker observes the following as he approaches the TSBD building steps:

Baker - ...there was a woman standing--well, all these people were running, and there was a woman screaming, "Oh, they have shot that man, they have shot that man."


This might be a reference to Calvery who, I believe, raced back to the TSBD building as soon as she saw the headshot and was at the steps before Baker arrived. If this is the case she would've also crossed paths with officer Joe Marshall Smith, who is believed to be the officer at the far end of the Elm Street extension in the Darnell/Couch clip. He reports:

Smith - Yes, sir.; and this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics. She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately proceeded up here.


Both Smith and Baker appear to be reporting a very upset female who was an eye-witness to the shooting, meaning she had very quickly moved from a position further down on Elm Street back to the area immediately in front of the TSBD building. So, when Shelley reports, within two hours of the assassination:

"...I heard what sounded like three shots...I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. This girls name is Gloria Calvery...I went back to the building and went inside and called my wife..."


There is little reason to doubt this.
Obviously, this is a massive problem for the identification yourself and Brian are trying to propose. Your initial attempts to show the "Gloria encounter" were thwarted so you've simply ditched the whole thing as you know how problematic it is for your identification. From fully acknowledging the encounter happened and a failed attempt to demonstrate it, to now taking the stand it never happened. And all within the space of a few short posts.
That's the kind of flexibility many yoga gurus would be proud of.
At least you've not taken Brian's road, who appears to be doubling-down on his insane suggestion that the woman who races straight past the two men within a fraction of a second has, somehow, stopped for a chat.
What's funny is the clip he posted to show this "interaction" in slow motion actually shows "Shelley" looking away from the girl as she streaks past and that "Lovelady" is stood in between the girl and "Shelley" for the nano-second this interaction is supposed to have taken place.
But, like you, his mind is made up and no amount of evidence is going to change that.

That said, I do believe both Shelley and Lovelady are liars but there is a pattern to their lying which doesn't involve the reality of the encounter with Calvery. And why these two so-called ordinary workmen should be lying to the authorities from day one is another subject altogether.

Hi Dan, No, in your evidence you are saying that Bill Did Not meet Gloria on the steps!!!"...I heard what sounded like three shots...I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. This girls name is Gloria Calvery...I went back to the building and went inside and called my wife..."
    Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

At his W.C. testimony Joe Molina says he sees Gloria Calvery arrive in the lobby and discusses the shooting. So did Gloria twice say the same story, first with Bill Shelley and then in the lobby? Or was there a little pow wow afterwards? This would also indicate that Calvery’s appearance inside the T.S.B.D. would be several minutes after the assassination and not on the TSBD steps!!!

Mr. BALL. Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary[sic]?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did Gloria come up?
Ms.. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.
Mr. BALL. What did she say?
Mr. MOLINA. She said “Oh, my God, Joe, he’s been shot.” They were both horrified. I said “Are you sure he was shot?” She said “Oh, Joe ,I’m sure. I saw his hair fly up and I’m sure he was shot” something to that extent.