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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #72 on: September 16, 2023, 07:10:40 PM »
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Hi Dan, I hope you are doing well. Can you please supply the clip. I cannot find Gerda's. I just went frame by frame in Duncan's and Robin's fantastic photo gallery and saw them together until they disappeared out of sight. In the Darnell frame, do you still see Shelley and Lovelady? If so, can you please point them out. Thank you for your reply! Sincerely yours, Michael



I just went through the frames again, in this frame they are about to meet a lady, Gloria Calvery, they talk for awhile, then she continues on towards the entrance of the TSBD.



It seems pretty clear to me the men aren't walking together. The man behind overtakes the other and is moving far more quickly. If the clip had run for another couple of seconds they'd be nowhere near each other.
And the woman you think they are meeting actually runs straight by them.

As far as I know this clip was originally posted by Alan Ford.



It's my opinion that on the steps we see the moment Gloria Calvery tells Billy Lovelady about the assassination.
Calvery has on a black headscarf and appears to be facing a man who is a step higher up. She is accompanied by either Karen Hicks or Carol Reed [the lady in white].
I believe Shelley can be seen walking towards the bottom of the steps [the man in the dark, baggy suit].
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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #73 on: September 16, 2023, 07:39:18 PM »
Amazing that some folks still cling to the 'identification' of Messrs. Shelley and 'plaid-shirted' Lovelady in Couch. 'Shelley' is in fact Mr. Danny Arce. We don't know who 'Lovelady' is.............


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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #74 on: September 16, 2023, 07:49:50 PM »
Hi Dan and Alan, I hope that you both are doing well. I can only concede at this time that Billy and Bill did not encounter Gloria Calvery. I see no problem with them walking and then Billy running, and it appears that Bill is starting to before they are out of the film. Sincerely yours, Michael

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #75 on: September 16, 2023, 08:15:45 PM »
Hi Dan and Alan, I hope that you both are doing well. I can only concede at this time that Billy and Bill did not encounter Gloria Calvery. I see no problem with them walking and then Billy running, and it appears that Bill is starting to before they are out of the film. Sincerely yours, Michael

At least you can see they aren't walking together.
In his affidavit, taken a couple of hours after the assassination, Shelley states that after he heard the three shots he ran across the street "to the corner of the park" where he runs into Calvery coming the other way. She was crying and told him JFK had been shot. Shelley then returns to the TSBD building steps, presumably following Calvery, who Lovelady reports, comes running up to his position on the steps.
In his WC testimony Lovelady makes it clear that he is still on the steps when Calvery comes up to him and tells him JFK has been shot. It is after this he and Shelley head towards the railroad (something they both omit in their affidavits).
IMO, the clip in question shows Calvery at the steps with Shelley returning to the steps.

The identification of Shelley and Lovelady you are proposing is strained for a couple of reasons.
1) The men aren't walking together in the Darnell clip.
2) For Lovelady to be one of the men he would've had to have had his encounter with Calvery before this moment. This is highly unlikely.

These points are definitely worth considering.

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #76 on: September 16, 2023, 09:53:47 PM »
At least you can see they aren't walking together.
In his affidavit, taken a couple of hours after the assassination, Shelley states that after he heard the three shots he ran across the street "to the corner of the park" where he runs into Calvery coming the other way. She was crying and told him JFK had been shot. Shelley then returns to the TSBD building steps, presumably following Calvery, who Lovelady reports, comes running up to his position on the steps.
In his WC testimony Lovelady makes it clear that he is still on the steps when Calvery comes up to him and tells him JFK has been shot. It is after this he and Shelley head towards the railroad (something they both omit in their affidavits).
IMO, the clip in question shows Calvery at the steps with Shelley returning to the steps.

The identification of Shelley and Lovelady you are proposing is strained for a couple of reasons.
1) The men aren't walking together in the Darnell clip.
2) For Lovelady to be one of the men he would've had to have had his encounter with Calvery before this moment. This is highly unlikely.

These points are definitely worth considering.

Hi Dan and Alan, Unfortunately I have known for a long time that it is 100% Billy and Bill in Couch. I just cannot post the pictures because of the porno site. But put in Billy Lovelady JFK and when the Billy Nolan Lovelady at Prayer Man comes up click on it and look at the huge Richard E. Sprague picture of Billy and Bill in Couch. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael


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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #77 on: September 16, 2023, 10:18:36 PM »
Hi Dan and Alan, Unfortunately I have known for a long time that it is 100% Billy and Bill in Couch. I just cannot post the pictures because of the porno site. But put in Billy Lovelady JFK and when the Billy Nolan Lovelady at Prayer Man comes up click on it and look at the huge Richard E. Sprague picture of Billy and Bill in Couch. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

 I just cannot post the pictures because of the porno site

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I think it's one of those "agree to disagree" things.
I can only lay out my reasons for why I'm convinced that particular identification is incorrect.
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2023, 10:33:38 PM »
What porno site?

Iíve seen all the pictures, and it seems to be mostly a case of wishful thinking.

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Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2023, 11:06:15 PM »
What porno site?

Iíve seen all the pictures, and it seems to be mostly a case of wishful thinking.

Hi John and Dan, It is the Prayer Man site. It is rigged that you cannot post anything from it because it states that it is a porno site. I am sorry. I thought everybody knew this! Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael