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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #152 on: September 22, 2023, 08:22:52 AM »
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No. This is all about the front entrance. Something to do with Mr. Oswald, the man you're desperate to keep off the front steps.

When I was trying to convince you Oswald wasn't Prayer Man

Actually you were trying to convince everyone that Prayer Man was Mrs. Sarah Stanton, which was and remains a ridiculous claim.

As soon as a better Darnell frame appeared, I immediately disavowed the LHO=PrayerMan claim. Have you disavowed your ridiculous Stanton claim? Or are you still the last signed-up co-member of the Doyle Club?

And yes, you are desperate to keep Mr. Oswald off the front steps, and have foamed at the mouth at any suggestion his suppressed claim in interrogation that he "went outside to watch P. Parade" is important

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you kept throwing that phrase up all the time, that I was desperate to keep Oswald off the front steps.
Turns out I was right and you were wrong but let's not dwell on that.

Let's not forget, Shelley is already on the record as stating he met Gloria across the street so you're idea that he can somehow undo this during his WC testimony seems a little stretched.
That this detail reveals something important about Oswald being out front also seems like something that is going to require some fanciful speculation.

I do, however, agree that Shelley and Lovelady lie through their teeth during their respective WC testimonies.

But your downgrading of Mr. Shelley's transformed Calvery story from an obvious lie to a piece of innocuous muddled memory is a major error IMO

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And finding out what they are lying about starts with what was left out of their affidavits.
In their affidavits both men neglect to mention that they head down the Elm Street extension and enter the TSBD building through the west door. Both men leave the unavoidable impression that they re-enter the TSBD building through the front door.
In their WC testimonies both men now acknowledge they enter through the west door but lie about how long it takes them to get there.
In the 1970's, Lovelady reveals he didn't re-enter the TSBD building for "15 to 20 minutes" after the shooting.

As far as I'm concerned the lies have something to do with them entering the building through the west door.

I think you've got things precisely back-to-front, Mr. O'Meara. Mr. Lovelady IMO is covering for Mr. Shelley, who wishes to account for several missing minutes immediately post-shooting. That's why they've been fictitiously paired off. That's why an excursion west to the railroad track has been invented. Mr. Shelley went AWOL during this time, and Mr. Lovelady remained at the front entrance (long enough to see Mr. Oswald stepping outside after being stopped by Lt. Erich Kaminski).

Their affidavits don't give away what Mr. Shelley did in those missing minutes, nor however do they offer the fanciful Westward-Ho tale that was later contrived to cover Mr. Shelley's absence.

I believe that Mr. Shelley, upon hearing from Ms. Calvery that Pres. Kennedy had been shot, was shocked and panicked. This wasn't the false-flag missed-shots incident he and Mr. Truly had signed up for involvement in as TSBD-side facilitators.
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Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #153 on: September 22, 2023, 09:16:01 AM »
Karen Westbrook Scranton donated a series of pictures to the Sixth Floor Museum showing herself and her colleagues in Room 203. The pics were taken around Christmas time, '63, a few weeks after the assassination. It is Karen who provides the names of her colleagues but she cannot remember the young woman you are pointing out.
The woman in question is a heavily pregnant Carolyn Arnold, seen here at her desk to the far left:



Karen can't remember her name because at the time of the assassination Arnold did not work in Room 203.
Once again you have come wading in with some piss-poor attempt to undermine the identifications I have put forward and once again you have got it all wrong.
Hi John and Dan, You both do realize that the lady I am talking about is the front view of the lady you both call Gloria Calvery. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael


Hi Dan, Then are you saying that the Gloria identification should be Carolyn Arnold. It certainly is not Gloria! She is taller; has brunette hair parted in the middle, and is not wearing glasses! Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael


There must come a time when you start to give the identifications I'm putting forward some kind of credence.

I admire your tenacity and consistency but have a serious look at the identifications I'm proposing and the evidence I'm using to back them up.
It can't hurt.
Hi John and Dan, You both do realize that the lady I am talking about is the front view of the lady you both call Gloria Calvery. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael


Hi Dan, Then are you saying that the Gloria identification should be Carolyn Arnold. It certainly is not Gloria! She is taller; has brunette hair parted in the middle, and is not wearing glasses! Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

Carolyn Arnold is supposed to be wearing a red dress on November 22, 1963, according to Linda Zambanini.





Here it shows how pregnant the real Carolyn Arnold is in this Cooper/Cook film frame. Carolyn is in between Bonnie Richey and Virgie Rackley who has the arrow above her head.


Here are Carolyn and Bonnie in color in Willis 8.


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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #154 on: September 22, 2023, 03:47:45 PM »
Hi John and Dan, You both do realize that the lady I am talking about is the front view of the lady you both call Gloria Calvery. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

Iím not claiming that the person in Betzner or the figure in black on the steps in Darnell have been proven to be Calvery, or even that they have been proven to be the same person. Thereís no good evidence for any of that.

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #155 on: September 22, 2023, 03:58:56 PM »
Hi John and Dan, You both do realize that the lady I am talking about is the front view of the lady you both call Gloria Calvery. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael


Hi Dan, Then are you saying that the Gloria identification should be Carolyn Arnold. It certainly is not Gloria! She is taller; has brunette hair parted in the middle, and is not wearing glasses! Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

Carolyn Arnold is supposed to be wearing a red dress on November 22, 1963, according to Linda Zambanini.





Here it shows how pregnant the real Carolyn Arnold is in this Cooper/Cook film frame. Carolyn is in between Bonnie Richey and Virgie Rackley who has the arrow above her head.


Here are Carolyn and Bonnie in color in Willis 8.





 :D :D

It is YOU who identified this woman as Carolyn Arnold and have then posted a series of pictures showing Carolyn Arnold in a completely different position on Elm Street!!

Do you now concede that, once again, you were mistaken?

Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #156 on: September 22, 2023, 04:30:09 PM »
Iím not claiming that the person in Betzner or the figure in black on the steps in Darnell have been proven to be Calvery, or even that they have been proven to be the same person. Thereís no good evidence for any of that.

Hi John, Okay, very good! Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

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Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #157 on: September 22, 2023, 04:33:48 PM »


 :D :D

It is YOU who identified this woman as Carolyn Arnold and have then posted a series of pictures showing Carolyn Arnold in a completely different position on Elm Street!!

Do you now concede that, once again, you were mistaken?

Hi Dan, No, you and John assumed the tall black haired lady who is in Gloria Calvery's spot is Carolyn Arnold. I do not know who she is. I just posted where and who the real Carolyn Arnold is on November 22nd. Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #158 on: September 22, 2023, 04:37:09 PM »
Hi Dan, No, you and John assumed the tall black haired lady who is in Gloria Calvery's spot is Carolyn Arnold. I do not know who she is. I just posted where and who the real Carolyn Arnold is on November 22nd. Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

Please quote where I have assumed this woman is Carolyn Arnold.
While you're at it review your Reply#225 where you state:

As you can see she is a taller brunette and not Gloria. It is actually this lady to Gloria's right in the picture below.

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Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?
« Reply #159 on: September 22, 2023, 05:05:27 PM »
Here is some identification work done by Sandy Larsen on The Education Forum, Unfortunately he does not identify the tall lady.

"In my opinion, thatís Carolyn Arnold. She appears to be pregnant." Is what John wrote. To which you gave a thumbs up!

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Hi Dan, As you can see from your post above you agreed with John that it is Carolyn Arnold in Gloria Calvery's position on Elm Street. You and John identified Carolyn in the picture, but I showed you that the real Carolyn has blonde hair and stood in front of the TSBD at the time of the assassination! Thank you for Everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

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