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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2018, 02:39:04 AM »
You have this tiresome obsession with Brennan. He saw different parts of Oswald over the course of two sightings.

How did he know it was the same person?

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Cherry-picking his testimony gets one this:

    "But at the time that he was firing the gun, a possibility from his belt up."

That's not a cherry-pick.  "At the time that he was firing the gun" is not ambiguous.  You're changing it to mean something else because you want it to mean something else.  Nothing more.  You're the one who's cherry-picking what you like out of his affidavit and ignoring his testimony which says something different.  Besides, he doesn't ever mention in his affidavit seeing the man stand up, does he?  He thought he was standing the entire time.

At best, Brennan made different claims and gave different details every time he talked about what he saw, which makes him unreliable.  But you have to go with him because he's all you got.  That is what's tiresome.  If he had described an elderly negro, you would be attacking him like the WC did to Arnold Rowland.

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The scope is black and against a dark background. And the rifle is at an oblique angle to Brennan.

Please explain.  What's the dark background?  And how oblique?  At the time of the head shot?

Offline Wesley Johnson

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2018, 03:57:30 PM »
Why do you believe that he was on the sixth floor when there is ZERO evidence for this contention?


The question is, "do you believe Oswald or Arnold"? Well which is it?

Offline Steve Thomas

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2018, 03:58:24 PM »
Who do you believe?


Everybody.

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Offline Wesley Johnson

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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2018, 04:01:08 PM »
Can you list any physical or ballistic evidence that points to LHO?


Typical "buff" response. All you guys ever do is answer a question by asking a question.

Offline Wesley Johnson

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2018, 04:35:26 PM »
I already told you in the "Oswald probably did it" thread who the 4 people were who said they saw a gunman in a window.  Hint:  Worrell was not one of them.  But when the topic of Mac Wallace came up, you asked what witnesses said they saw Mac Wallace.  So it's fair to ask you then what witnesses said they saw Lee Oswald.

It's just Brennan then, right?  And that was some time later after not identifying him in the lineup, right?  Do you consider his change of heart to be reliable?  I don't.  Do you think that the details that Brennan described in great detail both in his testimony and in his book were things that he actually could or did see? I don't.  For example, how did he see a gunman in firing position for the head shot from where he was sitting and see enough of him to estimate his height, weight, and clothing?  How did he see a gunman in firing position for the head shot from the belt up?  How did he see 70-85% of the gun and not see a scope (if it was C2766)?

The people who claimed to have seen two men:

- Arnold Rowland
- Carolyn Walther
- Ruby Henderson
- Norman Similas
- Johnny Powell



Fair enough John. Did Rowland, Walther, Henderson, Similas, or Powell see this second man shooting out of a window at the president?

Offline Wesley Johnson

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2018, 09:44:41 PM »
Let's remove them from the equation. What evidence do you have to place LHO at the SE sixth floor window at the time of the assassination?



No let's not. The question is valid because you CT's are always quoting Arnold about Lee being in the second floor lunchroom and Oswald as saying he was on the first floor. So, again, who do you believe? Arnold or Oswald?

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2018, 10:20:46 PM »

No let's not. The question is valid because you CT's are always quoting Arnold about Lee being in the second floor lunchroom and Oswald as saying he was on the first floor. So, again, who do you believe? Arnold or Oswald?


Your question would possibly be valid if we had a full first hand verbatim account about what Oswald and Arnold really said. Context matters and since we only have scant second hand information to deal with, there is nothing valid about your question.

Both Oswald and Arnold could well both be correct, for one very simple reason; we know that Oswald, at some point in time, was in the 2nd floor lunchroom because Truly and Baker saw him there. However, his being there 90 seconds post shots does not preclude him being on the 1st floor earlier, to see Jarman and Norman enter the TSBD at the back, near the domino room.

So, ask questions, by all means, but provide context to them before you do.
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