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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2023, 01:50:47 AM »
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Unlike others, I don't consider this a game and you clearly don't understand the ramifications of your very own words.

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Of course you consider it to be a game. If you didn't, you would take it seriously and simply answer the question.

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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2023, 01:50:47 AM »


Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2023, 06:35:53 PM »
If we assume Oswald did indeed get a bus transfer ticket and was carrying it with him when he left the rooming house, a potential reason for the direction he was travelling emerges.
There were two points he could have used the transfer ticket, marked A and B on the pic below.
Point A was at Marsalis and Jefferson, the transfer ticket in question had to be used by 1:15pm
Point B was at Ewing and Jefferson and could have been used at 1:40pm



If Oswald left the rooming house and was trying to make the connection at point A he would have been travelling quickly to make the 1:15pm connection, and in a general direction that would have found him travelling up 10th Street around the time of the Tippit shooting.

https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/document/0393/23811297.pdf

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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2023, 09:48:39 PM »
One of the problems with the line of speculation in this document is that the man that witnesses described was walking west on 10th street.

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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2023, 09:48:39 PM »


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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2023, 01:21:14 AM »
One of the problems with the line of speculation in this document is that the man that witnesses described was walking west on 10th street.

Markham describes the man walking east with the police car cruising slowly behind him. The car pulls over and the man moves towards the car, now facing west. This seems to be when Scoggins first becomes aware of him. Benevides arrives on the scene just as Tippit is shot.

LATER EDIT:
It is one of those annoying coincidences that Oswald is seen around 1:00pm by Roberts at the rooming house and the nearest point to the rooming house that the bus transfer ticket can be used is point A in the pic above and it must be used by 1:15pm. Someone leaving the rooming house around 1:00pm trying to make the transfer point at "A" by 1:15pm could have been in the right place at the right time for the Tippit murder.
It's an intriguing possibility.
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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2023, 12:16:00 PM »
Famed prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi who successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, which included 21 murder convictions, spent two decades researching and writing Reclaiming History.

Now personally I(JohnM) would have left out a few pieces of Vincent's evidence and after watching this video again I see that a couple of overlayed annotations that corrected and clarified my original summations are now missing? but as anyone with a half a brain can see, the evidence is truly overwhelming.
Btw some CT's will bring up the "wedding ring in a teacup" "LOL", in their opinion is not evidence but consider that this significant piece of evidence is only one half of one of Vincent's original 53 which amounts to less than 1% of his total evidence!


JohnM

The evidence is overwhelming?
The evidence for what?
Do you mean the evidence is overwhelming that Oswald was somehow involved in the assassination or that the evidence is overwhelming that Oswald was the actual assassin?
The overwhelming evidence you present equally supports the Patsy model of the assassination as it does the Oswald-Did-It model.
Almost every single piece of evidence regarding who was on the 6th floor before, during and after the assassination points away from Oswald - why have you left this evidence out?

The evidence you have decided to focus on paints one picture, the evidence you decide to leave out paints another.
It is a tactic used by the most ardent Tinfoil-hat-wearing CTer's and it leads to the same result - a skewed and highly biased outlook on the assassination

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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2023, 12:16:00 PM »


Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2023, 12:16:31 PM »
Markham describes the man walking east with the police car cruising slowly behind him. The car pulls over and the man moves towards the car, now facing west. This seems to be when Scoggins first becomes aware of him. Benevides arrives on the scene just as Tippit is shot.

LATER EDIT:
It is one of those annoying coincidences that Oswald is seen around 1:00pm by Roberts at the rooming house and the nearest point to the rooming house that the bus transfer ticket can be used is point A in the pic above and it must be used by 1:15pm. Someone leaving the rooming house around 1:00pm trying to make the transfer point at "A" by 1:15pm could have been in the right place at the right time for the Tippit murder.
It's an intriguing possibility.

Someone leaving the rooming house around 1:00pm trying to make the transfer point at "A" by 1:15pm could have been in the right place at the right time for the Tippit murder.

That depends when Tippit was actually killed.

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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2023, 12:27:54 PM »
Any idea why Oswald would go to a go nowhere place like 10th street when he is supposed to be on the run after killing Kennedy?

What exactly do you think Oswald should have done after killing the president?  Do you think that a guy with no access to a car or much money had a good escape plan?  Oswald was likely as surprised as anyone that he got out of the TSBD.  Death or arrest was always part of his decision to go forward with the assassination.  There was no getting away.  At best, he might have slipped out of Dallas and tried to make his way to Mexico.  In his twisted brain, maybe he hoped to reach the Cuban embassy and request asylum.  But there was no good escape plan from a crime of the magnitude that he committed.  He was basically just playing his hand out until the authorities caught up with him.  It's humorous to imply that because he was encountered in a "nowhere place" that this somehow calls into question his involvement in the assassination.  To the contrary, a "nowhere place" is exactly where a criminal on the run wants to be.

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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
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Re: Sorry CT's, the Mountain of Evidence is Overwhelming!
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2023, 01:14:33 PM »
What exactly do you think Oswald should have done after killing the president?  Do you think that a guy with no access to a car or much money had a good escape plan?  Oswald was likely as surprised as anyone that he got out of the TSBD.  Death or arrest was always part of his decision to go forward with the assassination.  There was no getting away.  At best, he might have slipped out of Dallas and tried to make his way to Mexico.  In his twisted brain, maybe he hoped to reach the Cuban embassy and request asylum.  But there was no good escape plan from a crime of the magnitude that he committed.  He was basically just playing his hand out until the authorities caught up with him.  It's humorous to imply that because he was encountered in a "nowhere place" that this somehow calls into question his involvement in the assassination.  To the contrary, a "nowhere place" is exactly where a criminal on the run wants to be.

Oswald was likely as surprised as anyone that he got out of the TSBD.  Death or arrest was always part of his decision to go forward with the assassination.

He told you that, did he? Or are you simply making things up again?

At best, he might have slipped out of Dallas and tried to make his way to Mexico.

If he was really on the run, that would seem to have been a better option than walking to a residencial area and killing a cop to draw more attention to himself.

But there was no good escape plan from a crime of the magnitude that he committed.

Maybe that's why he just bought a coke and hung around to be confronted by a police man....   :D :D :D :D

It's humorous to imply that because he was encountered in a "nowhere place" that this somehow calls into question his involvement in the assassination.

There are plenty of things that call into question his involvement in the assassination. Him being encountered in a "nowhere place" if that's what really happened isn't one of them.

To the contrary, a "nowhere place" is exactly where a criminal on the run wants to be.

Speaking from experience, are you?