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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2023, 02:32:25 AM »
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It could not be threads from Oswald’s  brown shirt that he had on at the Texas theater that matched threads on the MC rifle because Oswald CHANGED the reddish brown shirt he had on at TSBD when he got to his boarding house.

One has to wonder also why an expired transfer bus ticket would be taken out of the pocket of the shirt taken off and placed into the pocket of the brown shirt put on. And why such ticket having been touched so by thumb and forefingers of the bus driver and then Oswald multiple times , would have no fingerprints in the ticket?

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« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2023, 02:58:59 AM »
It could not be threads from Oswald’s  brown shirt that he had on at the Texas theater that matched threads on the MC rifle because Oswald CHANGED the reddish brown shirt he had on at TSBD when he got to his boarding house.

One has to wonder also why an expired transfer bus ticket would be taken out of the pocket of the shirt taken off and placed into the pocket of the brown shirt put on. And why such ticket having been touched so by thumb and forefingers of the bus driver and then Oswald multiple times , would have no fingerprints in the ticket?

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It could not be threads from Oswald’s  brown shirt that he had on at the Texas theater that matched threads on the MC rifle because Oswald CHANGED the reddish brown shirt he had on at TSBD when he got to his boarding house.

The fibres didn't necessarily have to come from that day, but Oswald's shirt fibres did match the fibres found on the rifle.

Mr. EISENBERG. Now, returning once more to this question of freshness. Would you say they had been placed there within 1 hour, or 1 day, or 1 week of the time when you received the rifle or longer?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. I couldn't say in that regard to any period of time. I refer, by saying they appeared fresh, to the fact that the other fibers I removed from this gun were greasy, mashed, and broken, where these were fairly good long fibers. They were not dirty, with the exception of a little bit of fingerprint powder on them which I cleaned off, and the color was good. They were in good shape, not fragmented. They could conceivably have been put on 10 years ago and then the gun put aside and remain the same. Dust would have settled on them, would have changed their color a little bit, but as far as when they got on the gun, I wouldn't be able to say. This would just be speculation on my part.


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One has to wonder also why an expired transfer bus ticket would be taken out of the pocket of the shirt taken off and placed into the pocket of the brown shirt put on. And why such ticket having been touched so by thumb and forefingers of the bus driver and then Oswald multiple times , would have no fingerprints in the ticket?

The fact that Oswald was discovered with the bus ticket on his person is more than enough evidence to prove that Oswald possessed the Bus Ticket.

And we know that McWatters the Bus Driver gave Oswald the Bus Transfer with the crescent punch because all the bus drivers have a different punch mark.

Mr. BALL - What did they tell you?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, they told me that they had a transfer that I had issued that was cut for Lamar Street at 1 o'clock, and they wanted to know if I knew anything about it. And I, after I looked at the transfer and my punch, said yes, that is the transfer I issued because it had my punch mark on it.
Mr. BALL - Did your punch mark have a distinctive mark?
Mr. McWATTERS - It had a distinctive mark and it is registered, in other words, all the drivers, every driver has a different punch mark.



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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2023, 03:43:15 PM »
The fibres didn't necessarily have to come from that day,

Or that shirt.

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« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2023, 03:59:38 AM »
McWatters the bus driver, gave testimony that seems to indicate he followed dutifully the rules of the bus company such as being on time to each bus stop.
He also explained the rule that transfer tickets
Were not to be issued earlier than 15 minutes from the expiration time.

So if McWatters was being consistent in his dedication to follow the company rules, then the ticket that allegedly was given to Oswald , being a 1:00 transfer ticket would not have been given to Oswald any earlier than 12:45.

Of course this completely upsets the timeline of getting Oswald to William Walleys taxi , which Walleys manifest record indicates an Oswald entering his cab not later than 12:45.

Fortunately and coincidentally for the WC, Mcwatters who had just given an ample amount of testimony about how he followed the rules, then explained how he often would hand out tickets earlier than 15 minutes, (a clear violation of the rules)  which was quite a contradiction for a man who was portraying himself as a most dutifully employee.

One has to wonder if McWatters was under some pressure to help out the WC given this crucial time line that Needed to be established to fit Walleys manifest of 12:30-12:45 block.

Even with this “helpful” McWatters modification of breaking the company rule in just this one area, the time line STILL had problems because Oswald would not have arrived to his boarding room until 1:00 and then did not leave until 1:04.

So then the  Markam 1:06-1:07 time stamp and the Bowley watch that read 1:10 had to be dismissed as mistaken times, and the DPD radio dispatch record of 1:16 being declared as the official time.

But they still had a problem , because of the 1:15 DOA time stamp from the emergency room doctor, which de facto would mean the ambulance had to have been dispatched at 1:10-1;11, because it takes approx 2 minutes of travel time from hospital to Tippet scene and back and about 30 secs to load body and unload body from ambulance, and to the actual room, thus arriving to doctor AT 1:15.

That would mean that Bowleys 1:10 watch WAS correct and that Bowleys radio call most likely was1:10:30, which then means the shooting of Tippet had to have been approx 1:07-1:08, because of Benavides having waited 2 minutes approx after the shooter had left the scene before Benavides went to Tippets car and attempted a call just preceding Bowley.

One attempted solution offered on this forum was that the 1:15 time stamp was NOT the doctor noting the time of the dead body arriving, rather it was the physicians “estimate” of when he thought the death of Tippet occurred.

So this why it’s so difficult to ascertain the “absolute” truth about the time line because of the witnesses own personal time estimates as well as the DOA time stamp of the emergency doctor,  vs the DPD radio records, which do not appear to be reconcilable.

If the WC timeline is the “truth” then Markam & Bowley, must be wrong, McWatters must be accepted as an inconsistent dutiful employee who violated just one rule, allowing an earlier arrival of Oswald to Walleys taxi by 12:45  and the DOA 1:15 time stamp by the emergency doctor must be alternatively interpreted as “estimate of death” meaning Tippet was shot at 1:15.
This all  to give Oswald the necessary 11 minutes required to “walk briskly” from leaving boarding room at 1:04 approx.

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2023, 05:50:55 AM »
Yep, because whatever it takes.

BTW, there is no DPD radio dispatch record of 1:16.

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« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2023, 10:29:05 AM »
Or that shirt.

That's true, no one ever denied that someone else who was wearing clothes including pants, socks, underwear or even a handy rag, made up of Oswald's shirt fibres could have come into contact with C2766, hence the usage of "probability".
But, and this is very important, the probability of a random contact is as Bugliosi tells us, is prohibitive.
At the end of the day, some random piece of material which contains not one but the same three threads with the same twists, same colour, same dye batch, same amount of fading, etc etc touched C2766

The FBI agrees
"Put another way, the chance of finding known fibers from a randomly selected suspect source that match the questioned fibers is remote"
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/about-us/lab/forensic-science-communications/fsc/april1999/houckch1.htm



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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2023, 04:37:44 PM »
That's true, no one ever denied that someone else who was wearing clothes including pants, socks, underwear or even a handy rag, made up of Oswald's shirt fibres could have come into contact with C2766, hence the usage of "probability".

“Oswald’s shirt fibers”. LOL.

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But, and this is very important, the probability of a random contact is as Bugliosi tells us, is prohibitive.

Bugliosi doesn’t know what the probability is.

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At the end of the day, some random piece of material which contains not one but the same three threads with the same twists, same colour, same dye batch, same amount of fading, etc etc touched C2766

Nobody ever determined anything about “same dye batch” or “same amount of fading”. Shame on you.

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The FBI agrees

The relevant information is that it cannot be determined what the source of the fibers was. Everything else here is typical “Mytton” exaggeration.
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« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2023, 10:59:53 PM »
“Oswald’s shirt fibers”. LOL.

Bugliosi doesn’t know what the probability is.

Nobody ever determined anything about “same dye batch” or “same amount of fading”. Shame on you.

The relevant information is that it cannot be determined what the source of the fibers was. Everything else here is typical “Mytton” exaggeration.

So out of the hundreds or perhaps thousands of Carcano's available in America, and the thousands or perhaps millions of shirts available in America at the time, Oswald was just unlucky enough to own a Carcano which someone else's shirt fibers which incidentally just happened to match his own shirt fibers, just happened to touch Oswald's rifle?
What an unlucky son of a gun!
Maybe he should of purchased a Lottery ticket instead of Killing the President?

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