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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #664 on: August 25, 2023, 02:30:54 AM »
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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
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Offline Zeon Mason

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« Reply #665 on: August 25, 2023, 02:37:31 AM »
Who found the jacket again? Is it confirmed by the person himself whom supposedly found the jacket under the car?

The jacket they claimed was found and is actually being carried by a DOD officer in a recorded camera view , appears to be WHITE.

It MAY be a light blue GRAY jacket which just seems to be white because the camera was recording it in black and white. 

It seems improbable however , (imo) that a light blue gray jacket that’s so light tone  that it could appear white in the camera clip could ever have been perceived by eye witness as a light brown or beige jacket.

IDK , however if there might be a possible effect of “meshing” the brown shirt and the light gray jacket together by some witnesses.


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #666 on: August 25, 2023, 04:31:38 AM »
The 1968 Burt interview with Chapman; as I already stated multiple times.

What part of the word “locate” are you struggling with?

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Correct, Burt said he could not identify the man.  Burt did not say that the man was in fact not Oswald, as falsely claimed by Chapman when he summarized the interview with Burt.

Where does Chapman claim that? It’s not in the transcript you just posted.

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Both Burt and Smith were REAL witnesses, yes.  Unlike Clemons.  It is faulty on your part to state that Clemons is as much a witness as Burt and Smith.  Burt and Smith saw the officer's patrol car stopped and Smith saw Tippit fall.  Clemons saw none of that.

When did Smith ever say he saw the officer’s patrol car stopped? And what makes you think Clemons didn’t see a stopped patrol car as well?

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Why do you keep bringing up Davis, Davis, Callaway and Guinyard? 

Isn’t it obvious? You’re arbitrarily defining “real witness” as seeing Tippit fall. You made your bed, now you have to sleep in it.

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They're completely unrelated when it comes to your false claim that Clemons saw as much as witnesses like Burt, Smith, Benavides, Markham and Scoggins.

Smith doesn’t say anything in his testimony about seeing anything before hearing the shots.
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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #667 on: August 25, 2023, 04:45:24 AM »
First of all, why are you saying the gunman went "over a block" after he turned from Patton onto Jefferson before cutting through the parking lot and hiding a jacket?  Are you unaware of the layout of the land?

Crawford is a block over from Patton.

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I do not believe Burt did all of that before the ambulance arrived.

Great, then I don’t believe he saw a guy walking down the street before hearing the shots. That was easy.

Cherry-picker.

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An elementary-level knowledge of the police tapes will tell you so. 

Bull. The police tapes tell you exactly nothing about what Burt did.

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Listen to the tapes or read the transcripts and compare that to what Burt says about the library and the ambulance.  Do I really have to spell this out for you?  Burt also said policemen had began gathering at the scene when they returned to the scene after going halfway down Patton and the ambulance had yet to come.  The tapes tell you this can't be true.  I think you need to go listen to the tapes.

Funny, then why did Virginia Davis say that police were already there when she saw the policeman lying on the street?
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #668 on: August 25, 2023, 07:41:09 AM »

[Etc. etc.]

Mr. Burt Dec '63:



Mr. Smith Dec '63:



From Mr. Smith's WC testimony-------------

Mr. BALL. And he ran in what direction?
Mr. SMITH. West.
Mr. BALL. Did you follow him?
Mr. SMITH. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you go down to where the policeman was shot?
Mr. SMITH. Yes.


Is it possible that Messrs. Burt & Smith at some later point went a bit down Patton together, and saw something down the alley to the west? It's possible. But that wouldn't change the fact that Mr. Burt, like others, had already seen enough to destroy the story that the shooter went all the way down Patton to Jefferson.

Mr. Burt's 1968 account simply deletes this dangerous fact.

Mr. Smith was called to testify before the Warren Commission. Mr. Burt was not. Go figure.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #669 on: August 25, 2023, 09:47:08 AM »
It seems improbable however , (imo) that a light blue gray jacket that’s so light tone  that it could appear white in the camera clip could ever have been perceived by eye witness as a light brown or beige jacket.

When the jacket was found under a car, it didn't occur to anyone to describe it as brown or tan. No, it was 'white' or 'gray'.

So:
It's not just Tan Jacket Man vs. White (or Gray) Jacket Man.
It's Tan Jacket Man Who Went Down Alley Off Patton + White (Gray) Jacket Man Who Went All the Way Down Patton To Jefferson.

Mr. Callaway, in his WC testimony, gives us a weird composite of both men--------both as to route down Patton and jacket color.

Unfortunately for Mr. Callaway, Mr. Guinyard contradicts him on both counts. AND Officer Howell Summers, after talking with Mr. Callaway, puts out the following jacket description: "a light gray Eisenhower-type jacket". No mention of 'tannish'.

I suspect Tan Jacket Man (the man who turned off into the alley) had put his gun in his jacket pocket by the time Mr. Callaway noticed him. This led Mr. Callaway afterwards to believe that the shooter must have been the second guy--------------the guy in the light gray jacket brandishing a gun. And so that's the man he told the Officer Summers about, leading Officer Summers to put out his suspect description.

And, as outlined in an earlier post, we have good reason to believe that the light gray jacket was not the only jacket to be found afterwards-------------Mrs. Doretha Dean found the other one, the tan one, which Tan Jacket Man had dumped on the tire rack as he tried to elude Gray Jacket Man.

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #670 on: August 25, 2023, 10:17:32 AM »
PRIME CANDIDATE FOR MAN IN LIGHT BROWN JACKET ENCOUNTERED BY OFFICER BAKER BY REAR STAIRS SEVERAL FLOORS UP IN TSBD:



PRIME CANDIDATE FOR TAN JACKET MAN (=SHOOTER OF OFFICER TIPPIT):


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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #671 on: August 25, 2023, 10:27:34 AM »
Mr. Domingo Benavides, WC Testimony:

"I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look flat in back."

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