Who Killed J.D. Tippit?


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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #720 on: September 19, 2023, 11:17:08 AM »
Is there any way of making this kind of scenario work if we simply push the time of the Brewer shoe store sighting back to the original ~1:35 pm?

Thus: Mr. Oswald goes to TT (purchasing a ticket) quite a ways before that time. He tries to find his contact. No success. His anxiety rising, he exits the cinema (perhaps to look for a phone?). Cop-car activity alarms him--so he ducks into the shoe store lobby and slips back into the TT. He's only been gone a minute or so. When he's arrested, Mrs. Postal recognizes him as someone who bought a ticket well before the Brewer sighting: she is mystified.

Given the early timestamps which Messrs. Burroughs & Davis put on Mr. Oswald's presence in the cinema, there seems no other way of making Mr. Oswald the man seen by Mr. Brewer

In 1963, Mr. Jones Harris (a friend of Mrs. Kennedy's press secretary Mrs. Pamela Turnure) spoke with Mrs. Postal in Dallas. When he asked her if she had sold Mr. Oswald a ticket, she burst into tears and left the room. When he shortly thereafter asked her a second time, she---------------burst into tears and left the room
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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #721 on: September 19, 2023, 11:18:56 AM »
Apparently the very first public telling of the Brewer story is on 27 Nov, when Mr. Brewer spoke with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.



From the same report:

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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #722 on: September 19, 2023, 01:40:12 PM »
Zeon Mason, John Iacoletti and Martin Weidmann...

The three of you are in denial.  The only person on earth who was present when Oswald left the rooming house said he was zipping up a jacket as he went out the door.

If I were an Oswald defender at any cost, I'd deny this fact, too, because I know what it means; that Oswald ditched the jacket between the rooming house on Beckley and the shoe store on Jefferson.

"He got a jacket and put it on; it was kind of a zipper jacket.  He was zipping it up as he went out the door." -- Earlene Roberts (Warren Commission testimony)

Mr. BREWER - And had brown hair. He had a brown sports shirt on. His shirt tail was out.
Mr. BELIN - Any jacket?
Mr. BREWER - No.

The three of you are in denial. 

Says the fanatical zealot..... Hilarious!

The only person on earth who was present when Oswald left the rooming house said he was zipping up a jacket as he went out the door.

And the single fact that Roberts was the only person present suddenly makes her a reliable witness?

If I were an Oswald defender at any cost, I'd deny this fact, too, because I know what it means; that Oswald ditched the jacket between the rooming house on Beckley and the shoe store on Jefferson.

First if all, it isn't a fact, just because you call it that. And secondly, if I were an Oswald accuser, I'd claim Roberts was correct, too, because without her the entire LN narrative goes out the window....

"He got a jacket and put it on; it was kind of a zipper jacket.  He was zipping it up as he went out the door." -- Earlene Roberts (Warren Commission testimony)

"He was zipping it up", so it was "kind of a zipper jacket".... HAHAHAHAHAHA

Roberts could only have seen Oswald put on a light grey jacket if that jacket was indeed at the roominghouse, but Frazier saw Oswald wear a grey jacket to Irving on Thursday evening. So, if Roberts is correct, how did the grey jacket get from Irving to Oak Cliff or alternatively, what happened to the jacket Frazier saw Oswald wearing?
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« Reply #723 on: September 20, 2023, 04:25:44 AM »
Billís argument is particularly ridiculous because even if he could prove that Oswald intentionally ditched a jacket (and he cannot), that tells you exactly nothing about who killed anybody.

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« Reply #724 on: September 21, 2023, 09:25:57 PM »
Billís argument is particularly ridiculous because even if he could prove that Oswald intentionally ditched a jacket (and he cannot), that tells you exactly nothing about who killed anybody.

Didn't Mrs Roberts say the Mr Lee was zipping up a Dark colored Jacket?

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« Reply #725 on: September 21, 2023, 09:33:48 PM »
Didn't Mrs Roberts say the Mr Lee was zipping up a Dark colored Jacket?

Sshhh, Mr. Cakebread, Mr. Bill Brown doesn't like us talking about that

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« Reply #726 on: September 21, 2023, 09:47:31 PM »
Didn't Mrs Roberts say the Mr Lee was zipping up a Dark colored Jacket?

Yes, but that's only a secondary problem. According to Marina, Lee had only two jackets; a blue-gray one and a light gray one. According to Frazier, Oswald was wearing a light gray jacket to Irving on Thursday evening and we know (at least we are told) that the blue-gray jacket was found after the assassination at the TSBD. If we accept that the blue-gray jacket was indeed left behind at the TSBD by Lee, than it stands to reason that this must be the jacket he was wearing on Friday morning. This in turn, if Frazier is correct, means that the light gray jacket must have been left behind in Irving. This again means that there is no way that Oswald could have put on either of his jackets in the roominghouse, simply because they were not there.

And that makes the question of just how dark the jacket was moot, because Roberts (who was paying very little attention) could not have seen Lee zipping up any kind of jacket. However, the "dark colored" issue (which she mentioned in her WC testimony) could mean that she really saw the dark colored shirt Lee was wearing as he was arrested.

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« Reply #727 on: September 21, 2023, 09:57:24 PM »
Yes, but that's only a secondary problem. According to Marina, Lee had only two jackets; a blue-gray one and a light gray one. According to Frazier, Oswald was wearing a light gray jacket to Irving on Thursday evening and we know (at least we are told) that the blue-gray jacket was found after the assassination at the TSBD. If we accept that the blue-gray jacket was indeed left behind at the TSBD by Lee, than it stands to reason that this must be the jacket he was wearing on Friday morning. This in turn, if Frazier is correct, means that the light gray jacket must have been left behind in Irving. This again means that there is no way that Oswald could have put on either of his jackets in the roominghouse, simply because they were not there.

And that makes the question of just how dark the jacket was moot, because Roberts (who was paying very little attention) could not have seen Lee zipping up any kind of jacket. However, the "dark colored" issue (which she mentioned in her WC testimony) could mean that she really saw the dark colored shirt Lee was wearing as he was arrested.

Indeed, Mr. Weidmann, but there is another possibility, which Mr. Greg Doudna has put forward: Mrs. Roberts correctly perceived/remembered the blue-gray jacket as 'dark' but misperceived/misremembered it as just 'gray'. Mr. Oswald had this dark blue-gray jacket on when he went into the Texas Theatre. He took it off inside, and the 'investigating' authorities later engineered its 'discovery' in the TSBD. The Tippit fairytale (LHO shoots Tippit--LHO flees down Patton--LHO discards jacket in parking lot) needed folks to believe that Mr. Oswald was wearing CE162 as he left the rooming-house.

What would support this scenario is the anomaly of Mr. Frazier clearly recalling that Mr. Oswald had his gray flannel-looking jacket on that morning. If he's right, and if the blue-gray jacket really was found (without shenanigans) by Mr. Frankie Kaiser several days later in the TSBD, then we have Mr. Oswald leaving his jacket behind in the domino room when he left work on some day prior to 11/22. Which is, well, a little odd............. 
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