Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage


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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2023, 11:26:42 PM »
That doesnít mean that they didnít get some tips from intelligence officials.

The fact that both the NY Times and this German publication published similar articles on the same day a few days after Biden met with Germanyís head of state is either a huge coincidence, or coordinated.

Perhaps both Biden and Germanyís leader, Scholz agreed to leak some of the intelligence that they have on the Nord Stream issue? I wouldnít rule it out. Alternatively, US intelligence officials mightíve leaked the same info to both the NY Times and the German news outlet although the German article provides more details than the NY Times so maybe itís not the same sources.

Lastly, Iíve long considered the possibility that it may have been the Poles or Ukrainians or both. However, blowing up multiple pipelines that are 200ft underwater in an area patrolled by NATO countries seems too sophisticated for Ukraine or Poland to accomplish without the help or support of the major players in NATO.

However, blowing up multiple pipelines that are 200ft underwater in an area patrolled by NATO countries seems too sophisticated for Ukraine or Poland to accomplish without the help or support of the major players in NATO.

It's all speculation. We may never know what really happened, but you seem a bit too desperate to find a culprit in the West. Why is that?

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Re: Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2023, 12:23:39 PM »
However, blowing up multiple pipelines that are 200ft underwater in an area patrolled by NATO countries seems too sophisticated for Ukraine or Poland to accomplish without the help or support of the major players in NATO.

It's all speculation. We may never know what really happened, but you seem a bit too desperate to find a culprit in the West. Why is that?

The new details further confirm that investigators and even US intelligence officials donít think the Russians did it.

Iím not desperate. I wish it wasnít true but the most plausible explanation is that the US or a NATO country was involved.

Iím open to the possibility that Ukrainians, Poles, or some other group did it without the help of a state actor but it seems unlikely.




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Re: Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2023, 01:56:50 PM »
That doesnít mean that they didnít get some tips from intelligence officials.

The fact that both the NY Times and this German publication published similar articles on the same day a few days after Biden met with Germanyís head of state is either a huge coincidence, or coordinated.

Perhaps both Biden and Germanyís leader, Scholz agreed to leak some of the intelligence that they have on the Nord Stream issue? I wouldnít rule it out. Alternatively, US intelligence officials mightíve leaked the same info to both the NY Times and the German news outlet although the German article provides more details than the NY Times so maybe itís not the same sources.

Lastly, Iíve long considered the possibility that it may have been the Poles or Ukrainians or both. However, blowing up multiple pipelines that are 200ft underwater in an area patrolled by NATO countries seems too sophisticated for Ukraine or Poland to accomplish without the help or support of the major players in NATO.


Archive link,  https://archive.is/HntrW
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html
March 7. 2023
"Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say
New intelligence reporting amounts to the first significant known lead about who was responsible for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines that carried natural gas from Russia to Europe..."
« Last Edit: March 08, 2023, 01:59:27 PM by Tom Scully »

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Re: Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2023, 08:41:00 PM »
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Re: Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2023, 05:36:27 AM »

Six Russian naval vessels 'detected near site of Nord Stream pipeline five days before sabotage'
Story by Elizabeth Haigh

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/six-russian-naval-vessels-detected-near-site-of-nord-stream-pipeline-five-days-before-sabotage/ar-AA196pTH?cvid=57fa2d8a02674ce1b05461fb1c0bdd9d&ei=25

Of course, Jon Banks and others would like us to believe that it was just a coincidence that there were Russia ships in the vicinity of the pipeline explosions in the Baltic. And it is also just a coincidence that this fleet contained a ship which carries a mini submarine capable of such a mission.

That the Russians wouldn't blow up their own pipeline any more than the Nazi's would burn down their own Reichstag.

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Re: Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2023, 12:37:16 PM »

Of course, Jon Banks and others would like us to believe that it was just a coincidence that there were Russia ships in the vicinity of the pipeline explosions in the Baltic. And it is also just a coincidence that this fleet contained a ship which carries a mini submarine capable of such a mission.


Your guess is as good as everyone else's.

What's clear is that there was a conspiracy. This isn't the job of one person.

The remaining questions are: who had the means to sabotage three underwater pipelines simultaneously in waters patrolled by NATO and Baltic countries?

US and German intelligence apparently don't think the Russians blew up their own pipeline.

It's possible that a pro-Ukraine group did it independent of State-backing, as noted recently in the Press but I stand by my view that a State actor had to be involved given the complexity of such an operation.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2023, 12:38:02 PM by Jon Banks »

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Re: Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2023, 02:12:44 PM »
Six Russian naval vessels 'detected near site of Nord Stream pipeline five days before sabotage'
Story by Elizabeth Haigh

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/six-russian-naval-vessels-detected-near-site-of-nord-stream-pipeline-five-days-before-sabotage/ar-AA196pTH?cvid=57fa2d8a02674ce1b05461fb1c0bdd9d&ei=25

Of course, Jon Banks and others would like us to believe that it was just a coincidence that there were Russia ships in the vicinity of the pipeline explosions in the Baltic. And it is also just a coincidence that this fleet contained a ship which carries a mini submarine capable of such a mission.

That the Russians wouldn't blow up their own pipeline any more than the Nazi's would burn down their own Reichstag.

There are always Russian ships in that area.  That would be like noting that there were American ships near Hawaii.  And, of course, the best evidence is that the Nazis didn't burn down the Reichstag.  They only took advantage of the act of a Commie arsonist (we have similar acts in the US where leftist radicals try to burn down public buildings).  Are you saying that the Russians could pull this operation off right under the noses of the US intelligence and NATO and they don't have proof with all their intelligence capabilities?  And unlike your Reichstag example, the Russians have never used the pipeline attack as a pretext for taking any retaliatory act.  It was Old Joe Biden who promised to "end" the pipeline if the Russians invaded Ukraine. 

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Re: Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2023, 07:18:04 PM »
There are always Russian ships in that area.  That would be like noting that there were American ships near Hawaii.  And, of course, the best evidence is that the Nazis didn't burn down the Reichstag.  They only took advantage of the act of a Commie arsonist (we have similar acts in the US where leftist radicals try to burn down public buildings).  Are you saying that the Russians could pull this operation off right under the noses of the US intelligence and NATO and they don't have proof with all their intelligence capabilities?  And unlike your Reichstag example, the Russians have never used the pipeline attack as a pretext for taking any retaliatory act.  It was Old Joe Biden who promised to "end" the pipeline if the Russians invaded Ukraine.

There are always Russian ships in that area.

With mini-submarines on board? How in the world would you even know that? Have you been there often or are you just repeating pro-Russia propaganda again?

Are you saying that the Russians could pull this operation off right under the noses of the US intelligence and NATO

Well, somebody was able to pull it off.

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