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Online Alan Ford

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #304 on: February 23, 2023, 05:32:40 PM »

It is difficult for me to believe that Arnold Rowland made everything up. He got the basic descriptions mostly correct (if he saw LHO).

Says it all really...............

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Offline Zeon Mason

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« Reply #305 on: March 19, 2023, 01:31:45 AM »
Viewing some of Mr.Collinsís computer images inadvertently gave me some insight into a possible answer to one a question: How could Arnold Rowland see a scope like the MC rifle thatís in the Back Yard photo (BYP) appearing to be held by Oswald, from 140 ft away when the scope is barely discernible in the Back Yard photo at distance of only approx 10 ft away?

It seemed to me that because of the way the scope was hardly perceptible in the BYP as close as about 10 ft away, that it would be even far less likely to be seen from 140 ft away as per where Rowland was approximately , from the TSBD , when he caught a brief sighting of the SW window gunman.

But then, as I was amused by Mr. Collins depiction of the SW gunman wearing black suit and tie,  it occurred to me that perhaps if the gunman was wearing a very light shirt that the shape of the rifle and scope would be more distinct due to the contrast of dark rifle held diagonally against a much lighter background.
( ie: a light or white shirt)

My error viewing the BYP was that Oswald was wearing a DARK shirt, which DOES  make the scope difficult to see, and I erroneously made a mistake in reasoning that the scope was therefore probably not likely to have been discernible from a distance of 140 ft.

So Now I have reconsidered that the scope of the MC rifle  COULD  probably have been seen from 140 ft distance, and that Rowland seeing the SHAPE of the whole rifle , noticed the scope, and that he made an approximation in describing the rifle as appearing like a 30.06 hunting rifle.

However, Iím not certain if the contrast of a light Khaki shirt would be as much contrast as a white T-shirt, and since the eye witness Brennan and Euins do not state seeing a white shirt, then there may be some doubt about my newest revelation :)

Online Jerry Organ

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #306 on: March 19, 2023, 05:08:28 AM »
Viewing some of Mr.Collinsís computer images inadvertently gave me some insight into a possible answer to one a question: How could Arnold Rowland see a scope like the MC rifle thatís in the Back Yard photo (BYP) appearing to be held by Oswald, from 140 ft away when the scope is barely discernible in the Back Yard photo at distance of only approx 10 ft away?

It seemed to me that because of the way the scope was hardly perceptible in the BYP as close as about 10 ft away, that it would be even far less likely to be seen from 140 ft away as per where Rowland was approximately , from the TSBD , when he caught a brief sighting of the SW window gunman.

But then, as I was amused by Mr. Collins depiction of the SW gunman wearing black suit and tie,  it occurred to me that perhaps if the gunman was wearing a very light shirt that the shape of the rifle and scope would be more distinct due to the contrast of dark rifle held diagonally against a much lighter background.
( ie: a light or white shirt)

My error viewing the BYP was that Oswald was wearing a DARK shirt, which DOES  make the scope difficult to see, and I erroneously made a mistake in reasoning that the scope was therefore probably not likely to have been discernible from a distance of 140 ft.

So Now I have reconsidered that the scope of the MC rifle  COULD  probably have been seen from 140 ft distance, and that Rowland seeing the SHAPE of the whole rifle , noticed the scope, and that he made an approximation in describing the rifle as appearing like a 30.06 hunting rifle.

However, Iím not certain if the contrast of a light Khaki shirt would be as much contrast as a white T-shirt, and since the eye witness Brennan and Euins do not state seeing a white shirt, then there may be some doubt about my newest revelation :)

Rowland stood about 280' away from the man in the Depository.



He estimated the distance at nearly half that.

     Mr. SPECTER - What is your best estimate of the distance
          between where you were standing and the man holding
          the rifle whom you have just described?
     Mr. ROWLAND - 150 feet approximately, very possibly more.
          I don't know for sure.
     Mr. SPECTER - Are you very good at judging distances of
          that sort?
     Mr. ROWLAND - Fairly good.
     Mr. SPECTER - Have you had any experience or practice at
          judging such distances?
     Mr. ROWLAND - Yes. Even in using the method in physics or,
          you know, elementary physics of looking at a position in
          two different views, you can tell its distance. I did that 
          quite frequently. And the best I can recollect it was within
          150 to 175 feet.

Rather than leaving it at a good-faith estimate, Rowland had to pepper the details to inflate his intelligence. A recent example is Donald Trump.



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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #307 on: March 19, 2023, 10:25:53 AM »
Viewing some of Mr.Collinsís computer images inadvertently gave me some insight into a possible answer to one a question: How could Arnold Rowland see a scope like the MC rifle thatís in the Back Yard photo (BYP) appearing to be held by Oswald, from 140 ft away when the scope is barely discernible in the Back Yard photo at distance of only approx 10 ft away?

It seemed to me that because of the way the scope was hardly perceptible in the BYP as close as about 10 ft away, that it would be even far less likely to be seen from 140 ft away as per where Rowland was approximately , from the TSBD , when he caught a brief sighting of the SW window gunman.

But then, as I was amused by Mr. Collins depiction of the SW gunman wearing black suit and tie,  it occurred to me that perhaps if the gunman was wearing a very light shirt that the shape of the rifle and scope would be more distinct due to the contrast of dark rifle held diagonally against a much lighter background.
( ie: a light or white shirt)

My error viewing the BYP was that Oswald was wearing a DARK shirt, which DOES  make the scope difficult to see, and I erroneously made a mistake in reasoning that the scope was therefore probably not likely to have been discernible from a distance of 140 ft.

So Now I have reconsidered that the scope of the MC rifle  COULD  probably have been seen from 140 ft distance, and that Rowland seeing the SHAPE of the whole rifle , noticed the scope, and that he made an approximation in describing the rifle as appearing like a 30.06 hunting rifle.

However, Iím not certain if the contrast of a light Khaki shirt would be as much contrast as a white T-shirt, and since the eye witness Brennan and Euins do not state seeing a white shirt, then there may be some doubt about my newest revelation :)




Yes, a contrast between the background and the subject makes a big difference. Here is an example:



Notice the light background contrasts with the dark uniforms of the officers. But the white t-shirt on LHO blends in with the light background. Jerry's image from his 3-D computer model made me realize that I had the windows on the western face of the TSBD spaced inaccurately (my model showed a window behind the man with the rifle). So, when the proper dark background is behind the man with the rifle, the white shirt contrasts well with the dark background. This would make the man with the rifle stand out. And, as you correctly deduced, the dark rifle and scope would contrast well with a white shirt. This would make the rifle and scope stand out. By the way, I believe that LHO was wearing his t-shirt at this time.

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #308 on: March 21, 2023, 04:23:43 AM »
Rowlands description of the gunmans clothing does not fit Oswald because Rowland describes the outer shirt  with a collar,  as being white or a very light blue.

Now that does not necessarily rule out Oswald having taken off his reddish brown shirt and wearing some other light blue or white shirt (with collar) unbuttoned, and exposing his white T shirt, while theoretically holding a rifle at 12:15 near the SW window 6th floor TSBD.

It just introduces yet another complication to the actions and movements of Oswald in this theoretical scenario of going up to 6th floor at 12:12, seen at SW window 12:15 holding a rifle then back down to 2nd floor lunchroom to be seen by Carolyn Arnold at least by 12:17, then back up to the 6th floor before 12:23, and also Oswald able to have identified Norman and Jarman which is more probable if Oswald was in the Domino room at 12:23- 12:25.

Somewhere in there, Oswald changed reddish/pinkish/ brown shirt to wear light blue shirt then back again to r/p/b shirt which he then was wearing as (allegedly) seen by Baker not later than 90 sec post shots in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Now since Mr Jerry Organ has corrected the distance being 280 ft, (my error of 140 ft, due to the WRONG scale which is on the 1963 Dealey Plaza Map) , there may still be a question if at that distance of 280 ft that Rowland could see a scope even if the shirt of the gunman was white (or light blue) and provided more contrast.


 

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