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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2023, 07:01:33 PM »
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In his interview with Bob Porter, Lt. Day mentions a "3 by 5" card", probably a standard size card for most prints. The palm print was lifted with 2" wide tape, so the paper it was mounted on was non-standard.



Thought worth mentioning before the Kooks ran with it.

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2023, 07:01:33 PM »


Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2023, 07:04:39 PM »
False premise.  There is no proof that Day "kept his mouth shut."  In fact, others have already noted evidence to the contrary.  And after using your Ouija board/time machine to reach this conclusion (which, even if it were true, doesn't validate your idiotic suggestion that Day fabricated the prints) you follow this by asking "Who knows why Day did what he did"?  LOL.  I almost feel bad for you.  There is no evidence whatsoever - as in absolutely none - that Day fabricated this or any evidence.  In fact, for the reasons noted, there was absolutely no reason to do so and plenty of reasons not to.  You certainly have suggested none nor even spun us a fantasy fable to explain why Day would risk his career and jail to frame a dead guy.

So, you can't answer my question. Duly noted! Not really surprising, though....

Asking for a negative to be proven is typical for those who can not provide evidence of a positive themselves. In this case, there is not a shred of evidence that Day told anybody about the print he allegedly lifted, which, to say the least, is highly remarkable given the crucial nature of the evidence in question.
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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2023, 07:25:31 PM »
But even if he didn't, why would he lie to fabricate evidence after Oswald was dead?  There would be no prosecution of Oswald by the DPD.  If the DPD was satisfied by the evidence without this print - and they were, and there would never be any trial why in the world would someone risk their reputation and career lying about the evidence in the most important case in his career?  It makes absolutely no sense.  In fact, it is baseless and idiotic.

The infamous "why would X do Y?" argument.  Two can play that game.  Why would Day refuse to make a sworn statement regarding his handling of the print?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2023, 07:26:10 PM »
Might be right, if nothing else, using the prevailing Conspiracy Land Logic, LHO took all the books out and then retaped the empty box during the actual shooting and then ran to the lunchroom where he encountered Officer Baker. Totally innocent. Really, it could have happened that way you know.

Literally nobody has ever made such an argument.

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2023, 07:28:18 PM »
So, you can't answer my question. Duly noted! Not really surprising, though....

Asking for a negative to be proven is typical for those who can not provide evidence of a positive themselves. In this case, there is not a shred of evidence that Day told anybody about the print he allegedly lifted, which, to say the least, is highly remarkable given the crucial nature of the evidence in question.

""You can't prove a negative" is a principle of folk logic, not actual logic."

"You Can Prove a Negative"
     -- Stephen Law, Psychology Today ( Link )

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2023, 07:29:39 PM »
According to the claim you made of LHO’s innocence that is exactly right.

I didn't make a claim of LHO's innocence.  Are you trying to wrest the title away from Strawman "Smith"?

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His fingerprints place him building the SN and not the result if him retrieving books from the box.

And you determined these were left as a result of "building the SN", how, exactly?

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If there is a better candidate for the assassin, other than the individual who built the SN and brought his rifle to the TSBD where it was found on the 6th floor and matched to the shells, bullet and fragments, now would be a good time to reveal who it is.

If you can actually prove that he "built the SN" and "brought his rifle to the TSBD", now would be a good time to demonstrate it.

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« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2023, 07:38:39 PM »
The DPD arrested and charged LHO for the murder of JFK based upon the evidence that they had available on Nov. 22.  This act confirms that they believed they had sufficient evidence to do so as of that time.

And we should care what the DPD "believed", why, exactly?  They apparently "believed" that they even had probable cause to arrest him for murder in the theater with NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

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Oswald is then murdered two days later meaning there would never be a criminal prosecution.  Thus, the DPD would have no incentive to then fabricate any additional evidence to bolster the prosecution of Oswald for that crime.

'I just don't believe there was ever a print,' said Drain, He noted that there was increasing pressure on the Dallas police to build evidence in the case. Asked to explain what might have happened, Agent Drain stated, “All I can figure is that it (Oswald's print) was some sort of cushion, because they were getting a lot of heat by Sunday night. You could take the print off Oswald’s card and put it on the rifle. Something like that happened.” -- Henry Hurt , "Reasonable Doubt", p. 109

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It is incredibly risky to fabricate evidence in any murder case and a crime much less the crime of the century.

And yet that is exactly what the Dallas PD did in the case of Randall Dale Adams.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2023, 07:46:11 PM »
From FBI report of interview of Mr. Charles Givens (11/22/63):



Extraordinary, simply extraordinary, that Mr. Givens has clear memory on 11/22 of plenty of things (incl. LHO-related things), but NOT of his trip back up to six for cigarettes, NOR of his sighting up there of Mr. Oswald! No, his most significant----------------and last---------------LHO-memory is of Mr. Oswald on five, wanting the elevator gates closed..........