When the SN was built

[Jack Nessan]

Great point.  The contrarian rebuttal that this is not incriminatory because Oswald "worked there" is weak sauce.  A lot of people "worked there" but Oswald is the only TSBD employee who left his prints on these particular boxes.  He also left his prints on the bag and rifle.  The rifle - LOL.   Imagine how unlucky Oswald would have to be to have left all this evidence because he "worked there" when no other employee who "worked there" did the same.  No reasonable person can believe that.  The prisons are full of criminals who left much less evidence than Oswald.

Exactly. The only way you can believe he is innocent is if you want to believe he is innocent.

John I actually makes an excellent point. If the box had been handled by LHO as part of his work, the fingerprints would have been all over the top where he opened it to access the books inside. If memory serves me right, instead there were just a couple of palm prints and a single fingerprint. The SN boxes are just one more example of his guilt.

[Alan Ford]

Did you get tired of talking to yourself in the other thread?

 

Yikes, Mr. Collins, my post seems to have upset you! Are you ok?

[Martin Weidmann]

Great point.  The contrarian rebuttal that this is not incriminatory because Oswald "worked there" is weak sauce.  A lot of people "worked there" but Oswald is the only TSBD employee who left his prints on these particular boxes.  He also left his prints on the bag and rifle.  The rifle - LOL.   Imagine how unlucky Oswald would have to be to have left all this evidence because he "worked there" when no other employee who "worked there" did the same.  No reasonable person can believe that.  The prisons are full of criminals who left much less evidence than Oswald.

The contrarian rebuttal that this is not incriminatory because Oswald "worked there" is weak sauce.  A lot of people "worked there" but Oswald is the only TSBD employee who left his prints on these particular boxes.

Really? Show us the report that actually says no other (not) identifiable prints were found on those boxes.

The claim that only Oswald's prints were found on the boxes in the S/N is not only not true but also highly suspect, because it justifies the question how those boxes got there in the first place. Are we to believe those boxes (we know were recently moved) were put there by people who did not leave a single print on them?

He also left his prints on the bag and rifle.

You mean the bag that you can not prove is the same one he brought in that morning? That bag?

And as far as the rifle goes, the FBI found no prints on the rifle or any residue or trace of a print having been lifted.

Lt Day, claiming a week later, that he lifted print of the rifle is highly questionable because he did not mention it to anybody for days and lifting 100% of a print without leaving any residue is just about impossible. So, if you want to claim that Day's print was indeed on the rifle you will have to provide proof of that and you can't.

[Alan Ford]

Is this Mr. Charles Givens (man close to camera, bottom-left, in red shirt & with large pencil [?] behind ear)?



Here, for cf, is Mr. Givens in the 1967 CBS special:



 

[James Hackerott]

I have recently seen a few posts that seem to indicate that LHO had to have assembled the SN in the last few minutes before the motorcade arrived. However in the Bronson film segment, which was filmed during the epileptic event at approximately 12:15, we can see that the window ledge already has the boxes on it. Here's a copy of the SFM image in Robin Unger's Gallery:



And here's a link to the larger image in Robin's Gallery:

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=12705&fullsize=1


This is evidence that the SN was built before ~12:15. We have no way of knowing how long before ~12:15, but it does appear that it didn't need to be built at the last minute...

This single frame image from Bronson’s film shows the sniper’s nest windows representing less than 0.4% of the entire normally projected frame. Stabilized animated GIFs of the film sequence show the object(s) on the window ledge more like an angry amoeba than boxes. Frame stabilization with subsequent stacking provided an image that shows a single, fairly well defined, box - well illuminated by the sun.

I questioned whether this box was the window box, or possibly the rest box directly behind the window box, from the photographers view. My recollection was the timing for this film sequence was close to 12:23. I modeled in 3D the scene for 12:23 with and without the window box present. When the window box is not present there is shadow from the window’s lower frame that clips the top-left corner of the rest box. Since the stacked image does not seem to show this shadow-clipped box I conclude the Bronson box is most likely the window box, present around 12:23.

[Richard Smith]

The contrarian rebuttal that this is not incriminatory because Oswald "worked there" is weak sauce.  A lot of people "worked there" but Oswald is the only TSBD employee who left his prints on these particular boxes.

Really? Show us the report that actually says no other (not) identifiable prints were found on those boxes.

The claim that only Oswald's prints were found on the boxes in the S/N is highly suspect, because that would mean that no law enforcement officer touched any of the boxes (which by itself is highly unlikely) and it justifies the question how those boxes got there in the first place. Are we to believe those boxes (we know were recently moved) were put there by people who did not leave a single print on the boxes?

He also left his prints on the bag and rifle.

You mean the bag that you can not prove is the same one he brought in that morning? That bag?

And as far as the rifle goes, the FBI found no prints on the rifle or any residue or trace of a print having been lifted.

Lt Day, claiming a week later, that he lifted print of the rifle is highly questionable because he did not mention it to anybody for days and lifting 100% of a print without leaving any residue is just about impossible. So, if you want to claim that Day's print was indeed on the rifle you will have to provide proof of that and you can't.

LOL.  Down the rabbit hole we go! WEEEEE.  I'll play along to pass the time but you have gone over this a thousand times or more rolling out your contrarian nonsense. Oswald's prints were found on the SN boxes.  WC 3131 confirms that prints were taken for comparison from the TSBD employees who had access to the 6th floor.  None of their prints were identified as being on the boxes.  Elvis wasn't fingerprinted, though, for comparison.  So we still can't rule him out using your defense attorney "logic."    Now you are suggesting Day was in on the conspiracy and lied about finding the prints?  Why does "not mention it to anybody for days" make his claim suspect?  If there was a frameup going on with the FBI, why didn't they simply confirm his findings?  HA HA HA.  How do you know who and when he spoke about the prints to anyone?  Have you invented that time machine that you require in every instance relating to Oswald's guilt. 

[Charles Collins]

This single frame image from Bronson’s film shows the sniper’s nest windows representing less than 0.4% of the entire normally projected frame. Stabilized animated GIFs of the film sequence show the object(s) on the window ledge more like an angry amoeba than boxes. Frame stabilization with subsequent stacking provided an image that shows a single, fairly well defined, box - well illuminated by the sun.

I questioned whether this box was the window box, or possibly the rest box directly behind the window box, from the photographers view. My recollection was the timing for this film sequence was close to 12:23. I modeled in 3D the scene for 12:23 with and without the window box present. When the window box is not present there is shadow from the window’s lower frame that clips the top-left corner of the rest box. Since the stacked image does not seem to show this shadow-clipped box I conclude the Bronson box is most likely the window box, present around 12:23.

Great work, as usual, James! It is impressive how well stacking the frames helps define what we can see in the image. Thanks for posting this!

With a little luck, one day we might be able to see the “bald spot”….