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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2023, 12:52:22 AM »
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For plywood to be laid, it would first need to be brought into the building, yes? In (one presumes) long boxes or packages------much longer than any of the book boxes used in the Depository.

Easiest way in the world to smuggle in a rifle or two.

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I have never seen plywood sold or packaged in cardboard. I believe they were laying 3/4" plywood, which surely would not be packaged in cardboard. The weight of five such sheets of plywood, if packaged together in a box, would be 350 lbs.

Possibly some real thin plywood and hardwood-faced plywood (for crafting and high-end carpentry) may be packaged in cardboard for protection.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2023, 12:57:59 AM »
The plan was brilliant because it was simple.

---------Get the men and weapon(s) in place without raising suspicions.

---------Requisition the sixth floor for the lead-up to the motorcade's arrival without raising suspicions.

---------Any man caught coming down the stairs can say he had a legitimate reason to be up there. All he has to do is get out of the building--------and then disappear. No Depository employee would have this freedom, for his name is on the books.

---------Make sure some Depository manual workers are helping out with the floor-laying project, so they can take full credit for the still-in-progress job that will be in evidence to investigators on the scene afterwards.

Of course, Officer Marrion Baker's dash into the building puts a wrinkle in things. Funnily enough, however, he ends up visiting every single floor in the building-------except for the sixth. Did the kindhearted building manager (who would have been responsible for hiring the outside contractors for the floor-laying job) improvise a way of keeping the pesky motorcycle policeman off the 'floor-laying' floor?

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2023, 12:59:59 AM »
I have never seen plywood sold or packaged in cardboard. I believe they were laying 3/4" plywood, which surely would not be packaged in cardboard. The weight of five such sheets of plywood, if packaged together in a box, would be 350 lbs.

Possibly some real thin plywood and hardwood-faced plywood (for crafting and high-end carpentry) may be packaged in cardboard for protection.

The point is that if everyone knows there's a floor-laying project going on upstairs, the arrival into the building in the days and weeks leading up to 11/22 of any long boxes/packages will not raise an eyebrow.

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2023, 01:13:26 AM »
Question!

How do you know when a Warren Gullible is uncomfortable with a subject?

Answer!

He talks about anything BUT that subject!  :D

We've seen it a hundred times before, and we're seeing it again from the usual suspects on this thread.

Here, once again, is the elephant in the room which the Warren Gullibles are doing everything they can to deflect attention from:

In 1993, Mr. Harold Norman let out some startling information-----------------------------

“Why the fifth floor? Why not the sixth floor, or the seventh floor?”
“Well, at first, we were going to do it on the sixth floor, but they were working, they were putting down some flooring, some 3/8” plywood, so there was quite a bit of noise, and they were painting up there too."
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“So there was an outside contractor doing the work on the floors, right?”
“Right. There was a crew of about five or six, maybe up to eight men.”

“Were they only doing work on the sixth floor?”
“At that particular time, I think they were. They were planning on doing something up on the seventh floor after they were finished with the sixth floor.”


Those of us who find it hard to believe that Mr. Norman just imagined these men out of thin air will be able to tune out the Warren Gullibles' off-topic speculative fantasies about Mr. Oswald, who (let us remind ourselves) was not even involved in the floor-laying project!

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The answers to your "question(s)?" are simple. It appears to me that the lady to claimed to see others on "one of the upper floors" saw Norman, Jarman, and Williams on the fifth floor, not the sixth floor. And Norman was likely referring to the workers from the other warehouse occupied by the TSBD. It really is this simple. The WC asked every single one of the employees in the Elm Street building if they saw any strangers in that building that day. All of them said no. How could that possibly be (if an outside work crew had been there)?

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2023, 01:23:11 AM »
The point is that if everyone knows there's a floor-laying project going on upstairs, the arrival into the building in the days and weeks leading up to 11/22 of any long boxes/packages will not raise an eyebrow.

If you were one of the building's "executives", you could openly bring in a fancy hunting rifle to show Roy Truly. Ordinary workers had no place to keep a rifle when not showing it, so they apparently didn't bring in their rifles, if they had any.

If someone asked Oswald what was in the wrapped package he bought to work on the morning of the assassination, he could get away with the "curtain rod" story.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2023, 01:47:09 AM »

The answers to your "question(s)?" are simple. It appears to me that the lady to claimed to see others on "one of the upper floors" saw Norman, Jarman, and Williams on the fifth floor, not the sixth floor.

Well, lots of things 'appear' to you, Mr. Collins, but they are little more than products of wishful thinking.

Mr. Norman himself states he and Messrs. Williams & Jarman avoided the sixth floor because they knew it would be noisy, due to ongoing flooring work. This noise, he further states, did not abate until the time of the motorcade. Mrs. Henderson's observation of men appearing to be at work tallies with this perfectly.

Mr. Norman's information about men (non-employees) staying up on six beyond the employees' usual lunch hour also means we can stop pretending that Mr. Arnold Rowland's bald, plaid-shirt-wearing 'elderly Negro' was the 18-year-old Bonnie Ray Williams: he was a member of the outside floor crew.

And Mr. Rowland's simultaneous sighting of a man over on the west end (which was where the flooring work was being done) now makes new sense: that man too was a member of the outside floor crew.   

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And Norman was likely referring to the workers from the other warehouse occupied by the TSBD.

Likely? Lol.

Both of the men with Mr. Norman (Messrs. Jarman & Williams) were part of the internal manual crew helping out with the flooring project. Like all the other members of that internal crew, they had broken for lunch---together. It is beyond ridiculous to suggest that Messrs. Jarman & Williams would have decided in advance to avoid six because they expected Messrs. Arce, Lovelady, Shelley & Givens to continue working up there through the lunch break, or would have believed that the continuing noise from six was being made by them.

Mr. Norman had worked at the Depository since 1961. No way would he confuse Messrs. Arce, Lovelady, Givens, Williams and Jarman with "outside contractors". If they had been Depository men brought over from the warehouse, he would have known so and said so. He expressly draws a distinction between the outside contractors and those Depository employees who helped out with the moving of boxes, etc. Indeed, he on occasion had himself helped out (pre-11/22) when order-filling demand was slow. He met this outside crew. You think he just hallucinated the leader of the outside contractor team whom he describes as "rugged-looking", 6'2"-6'3", 210-220 pounds? Does that sound like Mr Bill Shelley to you? And you think Mr. Norman didn't know Mr. Shelley's name?

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It really is this simple. The WC asked every single one of the employees in the Elm Street building if they saw any strangers in that building that day. All of them said no. How could that possibly be (if an outside work crew had been there)?

The outside work crew weren't strangers-------they were familiar faces. That's the point, and it leaves you and your Warren Gullible pals bereft of one of your favorite talking points  Thumb1:

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2023, 01:52:29 AM »
If you were one of the building's "executives", you could openly bring in a fancy hunting rifle to show Roy Truly. Ordinary workers had no place to keep a rifle when not showing it, so they apparently didn't bring in their rifles, if they had any.

So what?

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If someone asked Oswald what was in the wrapped package he bought to work on the morning of the assassination, he could get away with the "curtain rod" story.

Thanks for reminding us that you & your pals' efforts to put a sufficiently lengthy package in Mr. Oswald's hands that morning have come to nought!  Thumb1:

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2023, 08:09:26 AM »
I think Curry meant "we don't have anyone who had a clear nearby view who watched Oswald shoot the President".

I think Curry meant exactly what he said. "We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did.”