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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #152 on: January 30, 2023, 05:44:05 PM »
That's ALL they had to do with the law enforcement swarming the building?

Hiding in plain sight. With so many different men from various law enforcement agencies coming on to the floor, it would be extremely easy not to be noticed in the chaos of those first 15 minutes or so.

How did your fantasy person "walk out of the building" after standing around the 6th floor for 75 or more seconds after assassinating the president?

By simply walking down the stairs, perhaps even pretending to be just another law enforcement agent.

Why would they just stand there at the crime scene?

Who said that?

Do you really think anybody would have thought that it was possible that the shooter was still up there? The mere fact that they didn't storm the 6th floor with guns drawn is a clear indicator they never entertained that possibility, which of course made it the most brilliant scenario for an escape in plain sight!

You asked for a possible explanation and (although it is clear that you will never accept it) I gave you one. Deal with it. If you feel this could never have happened that way, please share your "wisdom" with all of us and tell us why it couldn't have happened?

I can only say "wow" to this level of nonsense.  In Martin's fantasy world, someone might assassinate the president, stand around on the 6th floor (i.e. the crime scene) for at least 75 seconds for some inexplicable reason solely to reconcile this with Martin's other baseless fantasy that LHO couldn't have gone down the stairs unnoticed in this timeframe, somehow avoided detection from those descending on the building trusting that no witness would point the authorities to this location, and then do what they could have done from the first second and go down the stairs!   HA HA HA.  This is unreal.  Is there no limit to shame from "Europe"?  I'm actually embarrassed for Martin. 

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« Reply #152 on: January 30, 2023, 05:44:05 PM »


Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #153 on: January 30, 2023, 06:35:07 PM »
I can only say "wow" to this level of nonsense.  In Martin's fantasy world, someone might assassinate the president, stand around on the 6th floor (i.e. the crime scene) for at least 75 seconds for some inexplicable reason solely to reconcile this with Martin's other baseless fantasy that LHO couldn't have gone down the stairs unnoticed in this timeframe, somehow avoided detection from those descending on the building trusting that no witness would point the authorities to this location, and then do what they could have done from the first second and go down the stairs!   HA HA HA.  This is unreal.  Is there no limit to shame from "Europe"?  I'm actually embarrassed for Martin.

Does anybody see in this word salad a reason why my scenario could not have happened?

Of course not, because the clown can't give one. He can call it nonsense and fantasy all he wants but in the past 7 months he hasn't been able to provide a shred of conclusive evidence that Oswald was even on the 6th floor or that he actually did come down the stairs, within 75 seconds after the last shot without being seen.

The best the fool could do is claim that (1) somehow the best evidence that Oswald did come down the stairs unnoticed is.......(wait for it)...... "That it happened" and (2) that Oswald was on the 6th floor when the shots were fired because a rifle he claims (but can't prove) allegedly belonging to Oswald was found there. It doesn't get any more superficial than this!

This is the level of Richard Smith's ignorance and stupidity we are dealing with here. His parents should demand his tuition fees back and sue his teachers for total negligence.
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Re: The Floor-Laying Crew
« Reply #154 on: January 31, 2023, 01:38:08 AM »
Does anybody see in this word salad a reason why my scenario could not have happened?

Of course not, because the clown can't give one. He can call it nonsense and fantasy all he wants but in the past 7 months he hasn't been able to provide a shred of conclusive evidence that Oswald was even on the 6th floor or that he actually did come down the stairs, within 75 seconds after the last shot without being seen.

The best the fool could do is claim that (1) somehow the best evidence that Oswald did come down the stairs unnoticed is.......(wait for it)...... "That it happened" and (2) that Oswald was on the 6th floor when the shots were fired because a rifle he claims (but can't prove) allegedly belonging to Oswald was found there. It doesn't get any more superficial than this!

This is the level of Richard Smith's ignorance and stupidity we are dealing with here. His parents should demand his tuition fees back and sue his teachers for total negligence.

Imbeciles of the world unite.



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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #155 on: January 31, 2023, 03:15:23 PM »
Officer Baker's dash into the building forces Mr. Truly's hand prematurely. After the encounter with the man caught walking away from the rear stairway several floors up, he must commit to identifying this man: a worker in the building, but which one? Remember, he cannot reveal the existence of the outside flooring crew. Nor however can he in hindsight declare he was a stranger in the building--------he himself vouched for the man as a worker he recognised!

Erroneously thinking--------on the basis of his and the officer's sighting of Mr. Oswald in the small storage room on the first floor just after the shooting---------that Mr. Oswald did NOT go outside to watch the P. Parade after all, he feeds Mr. Oswald's name to the cops: he was the man we encountered by the stairway.

But (for reasons outlined a few posts back) this causes complications. Mr. Oswald, it turns out, was in the doorway at the time of the motorcade, and there is no guarantee that proof of that will not yet emerge into the public domain (before authorities have had a chance to monkey with it, as they must do with the Wiegman & Altgens images).

Result: the rear stairway encounter is relocated to the second-floor lunchroom, an ambiguous, hedge-betting location that Mr. Oswald could conceivably have reached from EITHER the sixth floor OR from the front entrance.

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Now!

If we were to disregard the truth of the statement by Mr. Ochus Campbell that Mr. Oswald was seen, just after Officer Baker and Mr. Truly ran inside, in a "storage room" on the first floor;
and
If we were to linger with the scenario that Mr. Truly was a knowing accomplice to the plot beforehand;
and
If we were to suppose that Mr. Truly was well aware, very quickly after the assassination, that Mr. Oswald had been out front for the P. Parade;
then
We might reconstruct the pickle he is in as follows:

1. Mr. Truly finds himself--------as a result of the motorcycle officer's quick dash into the building--------having to explain away the fact that he vouched for (as a worker) a man caught walking away from the rear stairway several floors up

2. He knows that this man was a member of the external flooring crew (a.k.a. assassination team)

3. He cannot reveal #2, so he MUST retrospectively identify the 'worker' as an internal employee

4. Identifying Mr. Oswald (falsely) as that 'worker' is very risky (as Mr. Oswald's presence out front could at any time become acknowledged fact); however, NOT identifying the 'worker' as Mr. Oswald is not just risky but suicidal for Mr. Truly

5. Under intense pressure, he finally takes the plunge: yes, we encountered Oswald, but it wasn't up several floors by the stairway, it was in the second-floor lunchroom

He feeds this line to the 'investigating' authorities (who by now know full well that Mr. Oswald was out front), who cede to his greater familiarity with the building................. and Officer Baker is given the gaslighting treatment (But you must be mistaken in your memory------the building manager is quite clear that it was in the lunchroom).

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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #156 on: January 31, 2023, 06:07:02 PM »
Now!

If we were to disregard the truth of the statement by Mr. Ochus Campbell that Mr. Oswald was seen, just after Officer Baker and Mr. Truly ran inside, in a "storage room" on the first floor;
and
If we were to linger with the scenario that Mr. Truly was a knowing accomplice to the plot beforehand;
and
If we were to suppose that Mr. Truly was well aware, very quickly after the assassination, that Mr. Oswald had been out front for the P. Parade;
then
We might reconstruct the pickle he is in as follows:

1. Mr. Truly finds himself--------as a result of the motorcycle officer's quick dash into the building--------having to explain away the fact that he vouched for (as a worker) a man caught walking away from the rear stairway several floors up

2. He knows that this man was a member of the external flooring crew (a.k.a. assassination team)

3. He cannot reveal #2, so he MUST retrospectively identify the 'worker' as an internal employee

4. Identifying Mr. Oswald (falsely) as that 'worker' is very risky (as Mr. Oswald's presence out front could at any time become acknowledged fact); however, NOT identifying the 'worker' as Mr. Oswald is not just risky but suicidal for Mr. Truly

5. Under intense pressure, he finally takes the plunge: yes, we encountered Oswald, but it wasn't up several floors by the stairway, it was in the second-floor lunchroom

He feeds this line to the 'investigating' authorities (who by now know full well that Mr. Oswald was out front), who cede to his greater familiarity with the building................. and Officer Baker is given the gaslighting treatment (But you must be mistaken in your memory------the building manager is quite clear that it was in the lunchroom).

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'But!' (you cry) 'why doesn't Truly just say the man caught walking away from the rear stairway several floors up was Jack Dougherty? OK, so the physical description will be way off, but the motorcycle officer getting that wrong won't be as hard a sell as his getting the location badly wrong!'

That's easy. The 'investigating' authorities desperately need a sighting of Mr. Oswald inside the building. A (fictitious) lunchroom encounter disposes of two problems at once: explaining away the 'worker' caught by the stairway; and putting Mr. Oswald at a spot to which he might conceivably have arrived after shooting from six.

The key point is: Mr. Truly CANNOT put Mr. Oswald on an upper floor for a fictitious encounter, for he knows (as do the 'investigating' authorities by now) that Mr. Oswald was at the front entrance for the P. Parade. Any encounter must be somewhere equally consistent with having just come from the sixth floor and having just come from the front entrance. Lunchroom.

Perhaps Mr. Truly initially fed the authorities the name of Mr. Dougherty, but THEY were the ones who decided to turn the encounter into one with Mr. Oswald---------and to relocate it to the lunchroom? And perhaps we are getting a vestige of this supposed Dougherty sighting in Mr. Truly's WC testimony?:

Mr. BELIN. Did you see anyone on the fifth floor?
Mr. TRULY. Yes. When coming down I am sure I saw Jack Dougherty getting some books off the fifth floor.
Now, this is so dim in my mind that I could be making a mistake.
But I believe that he was getting some stock, that he had already gone back to work, and that he was getting some stock off the fifth floor.


Bizarre to think that Mr. Dougherty, upon hearing Mr. Eddie Piper give as his opinion that Pres. Kennedy had been shot, would just go back to work 'getting stock' as though nothing had happened. And bizarre to think that Officer Baker wouldn't even stop to speak with this man!

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« Reply #157 on: January 31, 2023, 06:39:01 PM »
In which we learn once again that "Richard's" fantasy about what a shooter "would do" somehow constitutes evidence that Oswald did it.
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