Democracy in Mexico is Under Assault.


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Online Jerry Organ

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Re: Democracy in Mexico is Under Assault.
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2023, 07:03:29 PM »
You want to mass deport people based on their religious faith?

I knew you couldn't get anything right when it comes to politics. I said the US would be better off without evangelicals and Mormons because of their arch-right fundamentalist views. They are partly why the Republican Party is xenophobic and racist. They're largely why the Supreme Court is stacked on the far-right, why the likes of Trump got elected and there's so much polarization in America. Why there's dog-whistles like send them back. Wait a minute: you think all that is good for America.

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Thankfully the US doesn't engage in that kind of bigotry.

Sure. And America invented industrialized slavery, the concentration camp, the paramilitary racist police force and Fox News/alt-right racialism. It maintains a virtual "slave class" that does most of the hard work for low wages. One of its two main political parties, the Republicans, is the most racist bigoted hateful party in the G7.

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How many "non-documented" people are trying to get into Canada?  Any?  I guess even they are not that desperate.

We don't have a Hollywood promoting my country as the "best in the world" and "exceptional". Many who can make it to the border think the USA is welcoming and so they naively head there. By far, most undocumented in the US find honest work and pay taxes. The majority of Latinos in some places are conservatives. The thing you should be making possible is fast-tracking their citizenship.

Canada provided sanctuary for Native Americans fleeing ethnic genocide, "Underground Railroad" people fleeing slavery and torture, and "draft-dodgers" unwilling to fight your racist war in Viet Nam. We have to pick up the pieces when your country turns to a form of neo-fascism.

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And, of course, Canada can talk a good game about the "poor" and "vulnerable" so long as they stay in the US and the Canadians don't have to pay for them."

At least we're acknowledging them as people needing understanding, not lumping them together as criminals who should be deported. Canada's attitude is that one gets a 10-to-1 return on what is spend on helping immigrants. We know that preventive healthcare for the poor saves billions if it prevents the poor from their injury or condition requiring emergency admittance. Affordable or free tuition pays dividends.

Didn't I read that the Trump family fortune started in Canada?

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"Black face" Trudeau doesn't take kindly to any outsiders who threaten his frat boy racist culture.

Trudeau's not a Republican. But he's an ecomomic conservative, so he would sit down with your party for trade and economic discussions. He worked out a wonderful North American trade deal with Trump a few years ago that we're quite happy with. And I don't hear Mexico complaining.

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Democracy in Mexico is Under Assault.
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2023, 12:04:58 AM »
I knew you couldn't get anything right when it comes to politics. I said the US would be better off without evangelicals and Mormons because of their arch-right fundamentalist views. They are partly why the Republican Party is xenophobic and racist. They're largely why the Supreme Court is stacked on the far-right, why the likes of Trump got elected and there's so much polarization in America. Why there's dog-whistles like send them back. Wait a minute: you think all that is good for America.



When you state that people should be mass deported based on their religion, that is far out stuff circa 1933.  There is no sugar coating that kind of thing.  It's unclear to me why you apparently find these folks to be so objectionable.  How exactly would the US get rid of these "evangelicals" and "Mormons"?  Send them to camps?  Imagine someone making that kind of statement about Jews or Muslims?  The republican party is "racist" but not your elitist frat boy leader who dressed in blackface and an afro while jumping around sticking his tongue out is hunky dory?  That's different.  LOL. 

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Re: Democracy in Mexico is Under Assault.
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2023, 03:05:24 AM »
When you state that people should be mass deported based on their religion, that is far out stuff circa 1933.  There is no sugar coating that kind of thing.  It's unclear to me why you apparently find these folks to be so objectionable.

It escapes me why certain evangelicals and Mormons find "dreamers" and the undocumented so objectionable that they would advocate their deportation. But the American Christian Right are not benign charitable common-good organizations like in other countries.

    "The new political philosophy must be defined by us [conservatives]
     in moral terms, packaged in non-religious language, and propagated
     throughout the country by our new coalition. When political power is
     achieved, the moral majority will have the opportunity to re-create
     this great nation."
               -- Paul Weyrich, co-founder of the Heritage Foundation

What provoked Weyrich was the IRS prohibiting whites-only K-12 private academies from full tax-exempt status. And one doesn't have to look far to see the Mormons, a fruitcake cult more than a religion, were attracted to racism from the start.

     "When Mormons Aspired to Be a 'White and Delightsome' People"
               -- The Atlantic ( Link )

Now I'm not saying everyone of them is a racist, just the really hardcore fundamentalists. "And some, I assume, are good people."

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How exactly would the US get rid of these "evangelicals" and "Mormons"?  Send them to camps?  Imagine someone making that kind of statement about Jews or Muslims?

Why aren't you offended with how this started, then? "Maybe the 6-7 million Mexicans who are living in the U.S. illegally should return to Mexico." Where are American Jews and Muslims promoting racism and getting hard-line Right-wingers running the Government and the Supreme Court? What Jews and Muslims have dreamed of or even tried to take over state legislatures and the federal Capitol through violence?

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The republican party is "racist" but not your elitist frat boy leader who dressed in blackface and an afro while jumping around sticking his tongue out is hunky dory?  That's different.  LOL.

Gee, it must be nice to have a blemish-free youth. If not, share with us what stupid stuff you did. And be judged on it.

And if Canadians had gotten rid of Trudeau, it would have been cancel-culture you would be complaining about. Better to have a leader who acknowledges his faults, sincerely apologies, tries to make amends and doesn't repeat past mistakes than what your party had for de facto leader.

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Democracy in Mexico is Under Assault.
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2023, 01:42:07 PM »
It escapes me why certain evangelicals and Mormons find "dreamers" and the undocumented so objectionable that they would advocate their deportation. But the American Christian Right are not benign charitable common-good organizations like in other countries.

    "The new political philosophy must be defined by us [conservatives]
     in moral terms, packaged in non-religious language, and propagated
     throughout the country by our new coalition. When political power is
     achieved, the moral majority will have the opportunity to re-create
     this great nation."
               -- Paul Weyrich, co-founder of the Heritage Foundation

What provoked Weyrich was the IRS prohibiting whites-only K-12 private academies from full tax-exempt status. And one doesn't have to look far to see the Mormons, a fruitcake cult more than a religion, were attracted to racism from the start.

     "When Mormons Aspired to Be a 'White and Delightsome' People"
               -- The Atlantic ( Link )

Now I'm not saying everyone of them is a racist, just the really hardcore fundamentalists. "And some, I assume, are good people."

Why aren't you offended with how this started, then? "Maybe the 6-7 million Mexicans who are living in the U.S. illegally should return to Mexico." Where are American Jews and Muslims promoting racism and getting hard-line Right-wingers running the Government and the Supreme Court? What Jews and Muslims have dreamed of or even tried to take over state legislatures and the federal Capitol through violence?

Gee, it must be nice to have a blemish-free youth. If not, share with us what stupid stuff you did. And be judged on it.

And if Canadians had gotten rid of Trudeau, it would have been cancel-culture you would be complaining about. Better to have a leader who acknowledges his faults, sincerely apologies, tries to make amends and doesn't repeat past mistakes than what your party had for de facto leader.

Individuals who come to the US by streaming crossing the border are coming here illegally.  Under the laws of most every country, they would be deported if those laws were enforced.  You can't get off an international flight and simply run out of the airport.  You would be arrested, imprisoned, and deported.  There is a process for legal entry.  I'm not aware of the Mormons or any religious group expressing any opinion differently from the majority of Americans who want an orderly and lawful process instead of anarchy. 

There should be immigration reform that provides a legal process to cross the border and work and return to Mexico but only if the border is also made secure.  Neither the Republicans nor Dems want that, however.  The Republicans want the cheap labor for businesses and the Dems want a flood of future voters.  The illegal immigration process has already flipped several border states to Dems.  The politicians don't care a whit about the hardships imposed on those who are being exploited and dying making the trip.  They don't care a whit about the drugs and crime being brought.  Over 100K American overdose deaths last year from drugs crossing the border.  More American deaths than in the entire Vietnam war.  It is just about power and wealth to our corrupt politicians like Biden.  It has nothing to do with humanitarian principles.   

I certainly never wore blackface and acted like Trudeau.  Nor do I know a single person who ever did so.  None.  That was despicable.  An overt racist act.  He was 29 years old when he did this!  Not an innocent youth.  He didn't do this in the 1800s but in the 21st Century.  Good grief.  A nearly 30-year-old man wearing blackface on multiple occasions can't be excused just because he is a socialist.

 

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