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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Allen Dulles
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2023, 02:01:13 AM »
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Is there anyone suspected of involvement in JFK's assassination who was better positioned to organize a conspiracy plot and the cover up afterwards?

Dulles reportedly continued to meet regularly with his CIA loyalists after he was fired by Kennedy and spent the weekend of the Kennedy assassination at a farm in Virginia that was used by the CIA.

David Talbot:
Is there a good reason why William Harvey's travel files are still classified? He has been dead since the 1970s.

While it's probable that Dulles used his role on the Warren Commission to help protect the CIA's secrets, it remains largely speculative that he had a role in JFK's assassination. But if it was an inside job, he's one of the few people I could see pulling a plot like that together.

On the afternoon of the assassination, Dulles allegedly returned to his L.I., NY home from a morning engagement in Boston.

Gentleman Spy: The Life of Allen Dulles - Page 540books.google.com › books
Peter Grose · 1996 · ‎Snippet view
FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 540
12 Allen was flying to his Long Island country home toward noon on Friday , November 22 , 1963 , after giving an early morning interview in Boston . Arriving at Lloyd Neck for a relaxed weekend , he heard the news that jolted an entire

Mafia Spies: The Inside Story of the CIA, Gangsters, JFK, ...books.google.com › books
Thomas Maier · 2019
FOUND INSIDE
On November 22, Dulles was resting inside his Long Island home, just returned from another speaking engagement, when he heard news of President Kennedy's assassination. A week later, the White House called. The new incumbent, Lyndon B.

Dulles was photographed entering the white house on the 23rd...
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Offline Gerry Down

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Re: Allen Dulles
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2023, 06:55:58 PM »
1964 :
https://jfkfacts.org/rfk-recommends-allen-dulles-for-a-civil-rights-mission/
"..Listen to this fascinating telephone call in June 1964 between President Lyndon Johnson, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and former CIA director Allen Dulles.
In the call, LBJ and RFK prevail upon Dulles to serve as the president’s personal emissary to Mississippi after disappearance of the three civil rights workers."

This makes it quite likely that RFK did indeed recommend Dulles to be on the WC.

Offline Alan J. Ford

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Re: Allen Dulles
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2023, 04:49:28 PM »
https://jfkfacts.org/devils-chessboard-today/#comment-867728
TOM S.
APRIL 6, 2016 AT 12:14 AM
Jean,
You have not convinced me that even you believe JFK held Dulles in high regard, or that he was fond of Dulles.

https://books.google.com/books?id=vf9ZJx8WkjQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22Legacy+of+Ashes%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrt8X0j_nLAhWK2SYKHQw0CqkQ6AEIKjAB#v=onepage&q=sexual%20dalliances&f=false

Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA - Page 191books.google.com › books
Tim Weiner · 2008
FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 191
Hoover knew some of the deeper secrets in the Kennedy family—including the president-elect's sexual dalliances during World War II with a suspected Nazi spy—and he had shared that knowledge with Dulles. Kennedy knew all this because his ...

This is odd, too...

1964 :
https://jfkfacts.org/rfk-recommends-allen-dulles-for-a-civil-rights-mission/
"..Listen to this fascinating telephone call in June 1964 between President Lyndon Johnson, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and former CIA director Allen Dulles.
In the call, LBJ and RFK prevail upon Dulles to serve as the president’s personal emissary to Mississippi after disappearance of the three civil rights workers."

In comments:

https://jfkfacts.org/rfk-recommends-allen-dulles-for-a-civil-rights-mission/#comment-815860
JEAN DAVISON
OCTOBER 14, 2015 AT 12:58 PM
The H/T to me should go instead to Max Holland, who published a transcript of this call in “The Kennedy Assassination Tapes,” which is where I found it.

http://www.amazon.com/Kennedy-Assassination-Tapes-Max-Holland/dp/1400042380/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1444841780&sr=1-1&keywords=kennedy+assassination+tapes

https://jfkfacts.org/rfk-recommends-allen-dulles-for-a-civil-rights-mission/#comment-815607
...Here’s a transcript of part of the call I think is pretty fascinating.

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[Starting at minute 7:00]

Dulles: Why did you pick me for this?

RFK: Because I *know* you.

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JEAN DAVISON
APRIL 5, 2016 AT 11:17 PM
“Anyone who actually believes that the Kennedy’s and Dulles held each other in high regard is mortally naïve or utterly disingenuous.”

QUOTE:

“Allen Dulles handled himself awfully well, with a great deal of dignity,” Robert Kennedy said of the period after the Bay of Pigs, “and never tried to shift the blame. The President was very fond of him, as I was.”

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–Schlesinger, “Robert Kennedy and His Times, p. 459

Can always count on Mr. Scully for exemplary, interesting and insightfully detailed research.

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Allen Dulles
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2023, 08:36:55 AM »
Seems like it’s more a rogue element of CIA, like some very angry survivors of BOP operatives who barely managed to float back to Miami Fl and then possibly got involved with the mafia boss who also had plenty of motive since JFK ( allegedly) had him kidnapped and dropped into South American jungle and left for dead.


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Re: Allen Dulles
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2023, 02:06:51 PM »
Where is that photograph showing Dulles entering the white house on November 23, 1963?

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Offline Alan J. Ford

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Re: Allen Dulles
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2023, 03:40:41 PM »
Seems like it’s more a rogue element of CIA, like some very angry survivors of BOP operatives who barely managed to float back to Miami Fl and then possibly got involved with the mafia boss who also had plenty of motive since JFK ( allegedly) had him kidnapped and dropped into South American jungle and left for dead.

An astute assessment, Mr. Mason, they certainly had the Means. Motive and Opportunity to exact revenge. Bunch of lying treasonous cowards shooting an unarmed duly elected representative of the People.

They should have kept their propensity for Coup d'é·tats off US soil. F n clowns!