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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Debunking the JFK Conspiracists: New Book
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2022, 07:19:40 PM »
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Any explaination other than the government’s explaination will do….  ::)    :D

Not really.

Any explanation (from the government or anybody else), not based on assumptions and conjecture and supported by credible, authenticated, conclusive evidence would do.

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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2022, 10:39:14 PM »
If a time machine were invented, the contrarians would tell us that we shouldn't believe our own eyes.  Eyewitness testimony is unreliable!  It would only be someone's "opinion' that they saw Oswald pull the trigger.  Even if he did, they would require proof that the gun was loaded with bullets!  Maybe it just went "bang" but someone else fired the shots!  So many contrarian possibilities that would need to be disproven to their subjective contrarian satisfaction.  No conclusion is ever allowed if it lends itself to Oswald's guilt.

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Re: Debunking the JFK Conspiracists: New Book
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2022, 12:22:29 AM »
If a time machine were invented, the contrarians would tell us that we shouldn't believe our own eyes.  Eyewitness testimony is unreliable!  It would only be someone's "opinion' that they saw Oswald pull the trigger.  Even if he did, they would require proof that the gun was loaded with bullets!  Maybe it just went "bang" but someone else fired the shots!  So many contrarian possibilities that would need to be disproven to their subjective contrarian satisfaction.  No conclusion is ever allowed if it lends itself to Oswald's guilt.



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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Debunking the JFK Conspiracists: New Book
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2022, 02:24:34 AM »
The problem couldn’t possibly be that “Richard” makes a really lousy case for his conclusion. Oh no — the problem must lie with the people who dare to question it.

Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Debunking the JFK Conspiracists: New Book
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2022, 01:03:40 PM »
Apparently Mr. Griffith - who will likely perform his disappearing act again ("Now you See him, Now you Don't") - believes that some type of bullet was fiired by CIA snipers that went into JFK's back only a few inches. And then disappeared. Then another bullet fired by CIA snipers went into JFK's throat/neck a few inches and also disappeared. Yes, these CIA snipers assigned to kill JFK fired not one but two bullets that only went a few inches into JFK and then vanished.

This explanation seems to be more likely to him then a bullet entering the back and exiting through the throat. The autopsy doctors failed to find this during the autopsy because the tracheotomy covered the exit wound. This has been known for decades.

Added: Mantik believes that both wounds - the back and neck - were caused not by bullets but by shrapnel: one piece of glass from the windshield causing the neck wound and another piece of shrapnel from, well, I'm not sure, causing the back wound. And that the autopsy photos and x-rays, indeed the autopsy itself, are fake. This is, well, not very believable. Whether Mr. Griffith believes this is anyone's guess including his own.

As the three autopsy doctors from the Ramsey Clark committee concluded: "The other bullet struck the decedent's back at the right side of the base of the neck between the shoulder and spine and emerged from the front of his neck near the midline. The possibility that this bullet might have followed a pathway other than one passing through the site of the tracheotomy wound was considered. No evidence for this was found. There is a track between the two cutaneous wounds as indicated by subcutaneous emphysema and small metallic fragments on the X-rays and the contusion of the apex of the right lung and laceration of the trachea described in the Autopsy Report. In addition, any path other than one between the two cutaneous wounds would almost surely have been intercepted by bone and the X-ray films show no bony damage in the thorax or neck."

Again: "The possibility that this bullet [that entered the back] might have followed a pathway OTHER THAN ONE PASSING THROUGH THE SITE OF THE TRACHEOTOMY was considered. NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS WAS FOUND."

The fact that the autopsy x-rays and photos have been altered is "not very believable"??? We're talking hard science here. We have hard scientific evidence that the autopsy skull x-rays have been altered. Do you know anything about the science of optical density measurement? It's used in radiology and other fields all the time. It's an established science. Three different scientists have done optical density measurements on the autopsy skull x-rays and have found the same clear proof that they have been altered.

Quoting the laughable Clark Panel is not going to cut it in 2022. You must be kidding. How about if you quote the ARRB medical panel instead? The ARRB panel consisted of three forensic pathologists, and all three refuted the Clark Panel's bogus finding that the rear head entry wound was in the cowlick.

We should keep in mind that Dr. Pierre Finck, the only forensic pathologist at the autopsy, confirmed to the ARRB that there was a fragment trail that went from a point near the external occipital protuberance (EOP) upward to the area of the right orbit (behind the right eye). Why is this important? One, no bullet fired from the Oswald sniper's nest could have made that wound, unless Kennedy's head was tilted nearly 60 degrees forward, which the Zapruder film and the Muchmore film clearly show it was not. Two, there is no such fragment trail on the extant autopsy skull x-rays, even though it is described in the autopsy report and was confirmed by Dr. Finck to the ARRB.

By the way, another fact disclosed by the ARRB releases is that both the back wound and the throat wound were probed, and that after extensive, prolonged probing, including probing done after the chest organs were removed, the autopsy doctors determined for an absolute, definite fact that the back wound was shallow and had no exit point. Ignoring this historic evidence won't make it go away.

Autopsy photographer John Stringer revealed to the ARRB that the throat wound was probed. This confirms the report of a friend of Humes's who revealed in the 1990s that Humes told him that he probed the throat wound and had a picture taken of the probe in the throat. This is key because it's further evidence the autopsy doctors were lying when they claimed they were not aware of the throat wound until after the autopsy.

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Re: Debunking the JFK Conspiracists: New Book
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Re: Debunking the JFK Conspiracists: New Book
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2022, 01:50:05 PM »
When the time machine is invented, the contrarians will explain that merely because Oswald pointed his rifle at JFK at the moment of the assassination and it went "bang" doesn't mean Oswald was the assassin.  They will note that many people in history have fired a rifle.  Does that make them an assassin?  Of course not.  And maybe the rifle had blanks.  Many things go "bang" without killing anyone.  Children's balloons sometimes pop making a "bang."  Does that mean attendees at a children's birthday party are assassins?  And on and on down the contrarian rabbit hole. 

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Re: Debunking the JFK Conspiracists: New Book
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2022, 04:11:25 PM »
When the time machine is invented, the contrarians will explain that merely because Oswald pointed his rifle at JFK at the moment of the assassination and it went "bang" doesn't mean Oswald was the assassin.

More arguments by fabricated fantasy stories from “Richard” instead of facts and evidence. Who woulda thunk?

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« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2022, 04:46:07 PM »
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