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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2018, 06:20:36 PM »
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       The Very 1st Qualified Individual that Examined the Zapruder Film was NPIC/CIA Image Expert Dino Brugioni on the night of 11/23/63. Brugioni went on Record regarding the Zapruder Film he EXAMINED on 11/23/63 Vs. the Current Zapruder Film = NOT being the same film. Simple as that.

When and where did Brugioni go on record saying that the Zapruder film he examined on 11/23/63 is not the same as the Zapruder film that currently resides in the National Archives or the three first generation copies?

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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
« Reply #113 on: May 20, 2018, 08:46:55 PM »


What part does he discuss how FMJ bullets explode in one's head? Maybe you can post all those real world experimental results that led Mr. Sturdivan to conclude that a FMJ bullet blew JFK's head off.



Larry Sturdivan describes this in his book ?The JFK Myths?, Chapter Two, pages 28-29:

?The skull simulations were conducted by firing bullets at a range of 270 feet, within five feet of the distance, estimated by the WC, between the sixth-floor corner window of the Depository and the president at the time of the fatal shot. The striking velocities for these shots were not determined. Independent test firings averaged about 1,860 feet per second at that distance. The targets were fried human skulls, obtained from a medical supply house, rehydrated by soaking in water overnight, filled with gelatin, coated on the outside with a layer of gelatin, and covered with a piece of fresh goat skin to approximate the thickness of a human scalp and the subcutaneous tissue at the entry site. The simulated targets were positioned so that the entry and exit of the bullet would be approximately in the locations indicated in WC drawings of the path of the bullet.

In each case, the bullets deformed extensively on impact with the skulls. As the bullets penetrated the contents, the jackets were torn open, exposing the lead cores. Some were torn completely in two. All left numerous small fragments along the bullet?s path through the gelatin inside the skull. High-speed movies were made of the shots that show the skulls to shatter in a manner very similar to the damage observed in the president?s skull. More fragments of skull were separated from the experiment skulls than from the President?s, as the tough scalp and connective tissue were missing.



Page 163 shows a series of high speed photograms showing a human skull shattering from the impact of a bullet fired from Oswald?s rifle. It shows the skull exploding even though the bullet was a non-explosive bullet.



On page 171, Chapter 8, he explains:

The bullet entered the back of the skull and exited in a small spray at the front of the space of one frame of the high-speed movie. Only after the bullet was far down-range did the internal pressure generated by its passage split open the skull and relieve the pressure inside by spewing the contents through the cracks.



On a side note, I have seen video made by Dr. Lattimer of a human skull, stuffed with animal brains, sitting on a ladder, which explodes after being hit with a WCC/MC bullet.



Question:

Are your conclusions that a WCC/MC could not cause the head to explode based on your readings by a ballistic expert? Are they based on your arm chair analysis, not on any real-world experiments but on how you image the effects of a non-explosive bullet would have?

If based on real world experiments, provide a quote of this expert.

If based on your armchair analysis state that it is based on your armchair analysis.

Silence on this question will be interpreted as your opinion is based on your armchair analysis.







Sure, and not with Photoshop.

Piece of cake, as long as I have a surrogate to take JFK's place.


If the Zapruder film was faked, it could be faked again. All you have to do is remove the evidence of a massive wound to the side of the head and add a massive wound to the back of the head.

Question:

Can you, a self-described expert, do this?

Can you show a link to a website where this has been done?

If the Zapruder film was faked on 1963 to remove the massive rear head wound and replace it with a massive side head wound, then it should be possible to modify the fake Zapruder film.


If the Zapruder film could have been faked, this claim would have been substantiated by now.






Pass a 3D test? Are you talking about Mytton's GIF? :D


The autopsy photographs passed a stereoscopic analysis, where two photographs of the head, taken from slightly different positions are viewed through a stereoscope.

Question:

Can you do the same thing?

Can you modify the ?altered? autopsy photographs to show a large rear wound and have these photographs pass a stereoscopic analysis?

Has this already been done?


Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2018, 08:53:09 PM »
When and where did Brugioni go on record saying that the Zapruder film he examined on 11/23/63 is not the same as the Zapruder film that currently resides in the National Archives or the three first generation copies?

Tim Peter Janney first contacts Brugioni in February of 2009

Mr. Brugioni was contacted again in 2011, and the information that he had previously provided in 2009 was reconfirmed by Peter Janney in an MP3-recorded interview at Mr. Brugioni?s home on April 28, 2011; as well as in a four-hour-long HD video interview conducted by me on July 9, 2011

 On another note for the general topic

http://assassinationofjfk.net/walter-cronkite-mentioned-the-jfk-limo-stopping/

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Online Royell Storing

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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
« Reply #115 on: May 20, 2018, 10:53:42 PM »
When and where did Brugioni go on record saying that the Zapruder film he examined on 11/23/63 is not the same as the Zapruder film that currently resides in the National Archives or the three first generation copies?


         Doug Horne did an extensive interview with Dino Brugioni. There is a lengthy portion of this interview on the "Killing Oswald" DVD. I am not sure as to how much of this interview might be posted on You Tube. 

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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
« Reply #116 on: May 20, 2018, 11:38:37 PM »
  the shots were coming from behind why would you slow down 

I believe there was a shot immediately from behind the Grassy Knoll fence that struck Kennedy in the throat.

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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
« Reply #117 on: May 21, 2018, 12:08:03 AM »

         Doug Horne did an extensive interview with Dino Brugioni. There is a lengthy portion of this interview on the "Killing Oswald" DVD. I am not sure as to how much of this interview might be posted on You Tube.


 Thanks Royell the author in my last post was Horne, but I failed to note it There is definitely a You Tube video of Brugioni somewhere
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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2018, 12:17:50 AM »
I believe there was a shot immediately from behind the Grassy Knoll fence that struck Kennedy in the throat.

 Good! Sorry if I am bit agitated by your rationalizing of Greer's braking I suppose we all have the right to theorize how people will behave in a given situation
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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
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Offline Steve Logan

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Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !
« Reply #119 on: May 21, 2018, 12:55:39 AM »
Greer slowed for the kill shot. Looked back and stared at JFK twice and finally accelerated after the head shot Then lied about in at the WC Also the shots were coming from behind why would you slow down Is that what they teach agents at Secret Service school?

More manure from the manure spreader. Are you for real?