A Rock Solid Alibi.....


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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #632 on: September 14, 2022, 05:46:39 PM »
And, as we have known since 2019, Mr Hosty is lying in his book about what Mr Oswald actually said.

We have it in Mr Hosty's own handwriting:



Mr Oswald did not claim to have been eating his lunch in the domino room at the time of the P. Parade. He did, however, claim to have been doing so when he saw Messrs Jarman & Norman passing through shortly before the P. Parade.

I've never given much thought to What Lee told Fritz regarding his movements after the encounter with Baker and Truly in the 2nd floor lunchroom....   But the official tale says that Lee walked through the office area with a Coca Cola in his hand after the encounter.



In his reply to Fritz apparently Lee never specified the route that he took when he returned to the Domino Room to finish his lunch at about 12:33.  I now doubt that Lee walked through the office area after leaving the 2nd floor lunchroom.    If he had walked across the office area and used the front stairs to return to the Domino room he would have encountered many of the employees who were returning to the building after the shooting.  BUT NOBODY reported seeing Lee Oswald....  AND Lee certainly would have seen the mayhem on the street outside of the TSBD so he would have known that there was no P. Parade to watch.....


Thus, He probably returned to the Domino Room by way of the stairs in the NW corner of the building....

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #633 on: September 16, 2022, 05:43:40 AM »
There is the possibility that Oswald could have been hiding at the NE corner of the 6th floor near an east facing window where  he theoretically had LOS to Norman and Jarman walking at ground level  along the Houston st.  side of TSBD. Oswald therefore upon hearing them on 5th floor below him after he placed  a box  on the SE window ledge at approx 12.24:45, knew Norman and Jarman had to have bypassed the Domino room to re-enter  TSBD.

Oswald might have been trying to look out this east facing window to see if the motorcade had yet entered Dealey plaza ,  while Oswald was waiting for BRW to leave the 6th floor.

Of course this is theoretically not probable if Oswald escaped  via staircases, because of Mrs Garner on the 4th floor.

However , an elevator escape is possible if  Oswald had an accomplice who could take Oswald via the East elevator from 6th floor to the 2nd floor landing by 50 sec post shots, thus bypassing Garner who had no LOS from her position by a west window near the staircase. The accomplice then returned the east elevator to the 5th floor by 70 secs post shots where it appeared stationary when Truly and Baker supposedly arrived at that time to the.rear elevator shaft. The West elevator was then taken down by either the accomplice or Jack Dougherty after Truly and Baker  began their ascent up the staircases.

However,  for the elevator escape scenario to be possible requires that BRW must leave the SE window by 12:23:30 which in turn requires Norman and Jarman to leave from the front side of TSBD EXACTLY at 1:22 so that they get to 5th floor windows  BEFORE BRW joined them.

If Waltís timeline is the more accurate, then itís several minutes PAST 1:22 (after the radio heard) that Norman and Jarman started their return , passing the Domino room at 12:25 and not until 12:27 approx getting to their 5th floor windows.

If Waltís timeline ,  then not only is it impossible for Oswald to place the box on the window ledge by 12:25., itís impossible  for ANY gunman to have done  so unless BRW was the one who placed the box, which makes no sense unless BRW is helping the shooter.

The only way imo to resolve this dilemma would be to refute the supposedly confirmed time stamp of the Bronson film starting at 12:25.

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #634 on: September 26, 2022, 10:35:47 PM »
There is the possibility that Oswald could have been hiding at the NE corner of the 6th floor near an east facing window where  he theoretically had LOS to Norman and Jarman walking at ground level  along the Houston st.  side of TSBD. Oswald therefore upon hearing them on 5th floor below him after he placed  a box  on the SE window ledge at approx 12.24:45, knew Norman and Jarman had to have bypassed the Domino room to re-enter  TSBD.

Oswald might have been trying to look out this east facing window to see if the motorcade had yet entered Dealey plaza ,  while Oswald was waiting for BRW to leave the 6th floor.

Of course this is theoretically not probable if Oswald escaped  via staircases, because of Mrs Garner on the 4th floor.

However , an elevator escape is possible if  Oswald had an accomplice who could take Oswald via the East elevator from 6th floor to the 2nd floor landing by 50 sec post shots, thus bypassing Garner who had no LOS from her position by a west window near the staircase. The accomplice then returned the east elevator to the 5th floor by 70 secs post shots where it appeared stationary when Truly and Baker supposedly arrived at that time to the.rear elevator shaft. The West elevator was then taken down by either the accomplice or Jack Dougherty after Truly and Baker  began their ascent up the staircases.

However,  for the elevator escape scenario to be possible requires that BRW must leave the SE window by 12:23:30 which in turn requires Norman and Jarman to leave from the front side of TSBD EXACTLY at 1:22 so that they get to 5th floor windows  BEFORE BRW joined them.

If Waltís timeline is the more accurate, then itís several minutes PAST 1:22 (after the radio heard) that Norman and Jarman started their return , passing the Domino room at 12:25 and not until 12:27 approx getting to their 5th floor windows.

If Waltís timeline ,  then not only is it impossible for Oswald to place the box on the window ledge by 12:25., itís impossible  for ANY gunman to have done  so unless BRW was the one who placed the box, which makes no sense unless BRW is helping the shooter.

The only way imo to resolve this dilemma would be to refute the supposedly confirmed time stamp of the Bronson film starting at 12:25.

There is the possibility that Oswald could have been hiding at the NE corner of the 6th floor near an east facing window where  he theoretically had LOS to Norman and Jarman walking at ground level  along the Houston st.  side of TSBD.

Do you believe that Lee could have seen through the steel fire escape?

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« Reply #634 on: September 26, 2022, 10:35:47 PM »


Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #635 on: September 27, 2022, 06:38:10 PM »
Walt. Iím just exhausting all the possibilities of the idea that Oswald looked out ANY window on the 6th floor and saw Jarman and Norman.

I ( and you 2  I think) have already refuted the suggestion by an LN that Oswald looked out the SE corner window and randomly just noticed Norman and Jarman below. Itís a very low probability because Oswald would theoretically have been hiding himself by sitting on that box so his torso is just left of the window (and the pipes)

The only other possibilitiie left was Oswajd at the NE corner of the 6th floor where.he would have had to be hiding waiting for Bonnie Ray Williams to leave the SE window. This about the only way probable that thereís enough time to placed a box on the ledge by 12:25 , just about 1 minute after BRW would have left the window.

In answers to your ? about the score escaoe, imo at the the NE corner window the fire escape is near the ground level so I think there is an LOS that is possible to some persons going around the NE corner of the T:SBD.

However, there are no photos of that NE side of the TSBD building (as far as I know)  that show any person at the NE window and No witness statement from any persons from Daltex building seeing anyone in the window either.

Itís of course a moot issue among us CTs as the timeline of 75-90 secs for Oswahd getting to the 2nd floor lunchroom just does not work because of the additional time required for Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch having to spot the rifle, and then seeing the rifle slowly withdrawn form the window.

And unless there is some evidence found that proves Oswald wore a pair of gloves while firing the MC rifle then that limits the max probable floor crossing speed of Oswald to ďdouble timeĒĒ (8ft/sec) to have any reasonable probability he could  have wiped wipe off all prints from the rifle while running with the rifle.
 

 

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