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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #160 on: September 22, 2022, 01:53:33 PM »
The only one who is desperately trying to avoid to answer a simple question is you. It's beyond hilarious!

Stop playing silly games and just provide an explanation for how Oswald could have gone down the stairs unnoticed within roughly 75 seconds after the last shot.

Did you take lessons from Mike Lindell, who also constantly claims to have conclusive evidence and never produces it?

I've answered your question a dozen times.  Here it is again.  There is simply insufficient information from the evidence to conclude that Oswald could not have used the stairs.  In fact, the opposite.  The evidence places him on the 6th floor at 12:30 and then in the 2nd floor lunchroom a few minutes later.  Therefore, we know without any doubt whatsoever that he could have gone down the stairs unnoticed because that is the only possible way he could have gotten from these two points in the known timeframe.  The best evidence that a thing is possible is that it happened.  That is how evidence and logic work.

Again, no answer from you.  Do you accept the only possible implication of your own conclusion that Oswald couldn't have come down the stairs unnoticed or not?  Why the struggle to avoid accepting the only conclusion that can be drawn from YOUR own claim?  It is very amusing.  You go on and on suggesting that you have proved something but then won't acknowledge the only conclusion that can be drawn from your claim having validity.  An exercise in self-loathing?  Or dim awareness of the absurdity of your claim?  Either way it's greatly amusing to watch you run away.

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« Reply #160 on: September 22, 2022, 01:53:33 PM »

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« Reply #161 on: September 22, 2022, 02:15:15 PM »
I've answered your question a dozen times.  Here it is again.  There is simply insufficient information from the evidence to conclude that Oswald could not have used the stairs.  In fact, the opposite.  The evidence places him on the 6th floor at 12:30 and then in the 2nd floor lunchroom a few minutes later.  Therefore, we know without any doubt whatsoever that he could have gone down the stairs unnoticed because that is the only possible way he could have gotten from these two points in the known timeframe.  The best evidence that a thing is possible is that it happened.  That is how evidence and logic work.

Again, no answer from you.  Do you accept the only possible implication of your own conclusion that Oswald couldn't have come down the stairs unnoticed or not?  Why the struggle to avoid accepting the only conclusion that can be drawn from YOUR own claim?  It is very amusing.  You go on and on suggesting that you have proved something but then won't acknowledge the only conclusion that can be drawn from your claim having validity.  An exercise in self-loathing?  Or dim awareness of the absurdity of your claim?  Either way it's greatly amusing to watch you run away.

I've answered your question a dozen times.  Here it is again.  There is simply insufficient information from the evidence to conclude that Oswald could not have used the stairs.  In fact, the opposite.  The evidence places him on the 6th floor at 12:30 and then in the 2nd floor lunchroom a few minutes later. 

That's not an answer. It's utter BS and assumption piled on assumption. In the real world, there is no evidence whatsoever that places Oswald on the 6th floor at 12:30 and no matter how often you repeat this bogus claim, it will never be true. If there was such evidence you would have presented it a long time ago and this discussion would not have continued. There mere fact that you haven't presented this elusive evidence is enough to conclude that it doesn't exist.

Therefore, we know without any doubt whatsoever that he could have gone down the stairs unnoticed because that is the only possible way he could have gotten from these two points in the known timeframe.  The best evidence that a thing is possible is that it happened. 

Hilarious. It's pure speculation based on the unproven and thus false premise that Oswald was in fact on the 6th floor at 12:30.

That is how evidence and logic work.

More stupidity. There is only evidence in your imagination and calling it "logic" to "prove" one assumption with another assumption is just pathetic.

The bottom line is that you have no evidence whatsoever that places Oswald on the 6th floor when the shots were fired and/or for how he could have managed to go down the stairs within roughly 75 seconds after the last shot. You are just making stuff up and calling it evidence.   :D

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« Reply #162 on: September 22, 2022, 04:07:52 PM »
I've answered your question a dozen times.  Here it is again.  There is simply insufficient information from the evidence to conclude that Oswald could not have used the stairs.  In fact, the opposite.  The evidence places him on the 6th floor at 12:30 and then in the 2nd floor lunchroom a few minutes later. 

That's not an answer. It's utter BS and assumption piled on assumption. In the real world, there is no evidence whatsoever that places Oswald on the 6th floor at 12:30 and no matter how often you repeat this bogus claim, it will never be true. If there was such evidence you would have presented it a long time ago and this discussion would not have continued. There mere fact that you haven't presented this elusive evidence is enough to conclude that it doesn't exist.

Therefore, we know without any doubt whatsoever that he could have gone down the stairs unnoticed because that is the only possible way he could have gotten from these two points in the known timeframe.  The best evidence that a thing is possible is that it happened. 

Hilarious. It's pure speculation based on the unproven and thus false premise that Oswald was in fact on the 6th floor at 12:30.

That is how evidence and logic work.

More stupidity. There is only evidence in your imagination and calling it "logic" to "prove" one assumption with another assumption is just pathetic.

The bottom line is that you have no evidence whatsoever that places Oswald on the 6th floor when the shots were fired and/or for how he could have managed to go down the stairs within roughly 75 seconds after the last shot. You are just making stuff up and calling it evidence.   :D

Again, no answer to the question posed.  And you are really saying again there is "no" evidence Oswald was on the 6th floor?  None? Just his rifle and fired bullet casings from that rifle by the window from which multiple witnesses saw a rifle pointing out the window at 12:30.  Laughable.  Remind me again.  You are not a CTer - right?  Just a neutral party who claims Oswald couldn't have come down the stairs to the 2nd floor.  The only way he could have got there had he been the assassin.  And he left no evidence on the 6th floor.  HA HA HA.  But you won't confirm that your position is that Oswald is innocent.  He just couldn't have done it per your own analysis. 

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« Reply #162 on: September 22, 2022, 04:07:52 PM »

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« Reply #163 on: September 22, 2022, 05:47:15 PM »
Again, no answer to the question posed.  And you are really saying again there is "no" evidence Oswald was on the 6th floor?  None? Just his rifle and fired bullet casings from that rifle by the window from which multiple witnesses saw a rifle pointing out the window at 12:30.  Laughable.  Remind me again.  You are not a CTer - right?  Just a neutral party who claims Oswald couldn't have come down the stairs to the 2nd floor.  The only way he could have got there had he been the assassin.  And he left no evidence on the 6th floor.  HA HA HA.  But you won't confirm that your position is that Oswald is innocent.  He just couldn't have done it per your own analysis.

Just his rifle

"his rifle" LOL

and fired bullet casings from that rifle

there is no evidence those bullet casings were fired by the MC rifle on that day. In fact, it can't even be shown that the rifle itself was fired on 11/22/63.

by the window from which multiple witnesses saw a rifle pointing out the window at 12:30.

And how exactly does any of this prove, other than by pure flawed assumption, that Oswald was on the 6th floor at 12:30?

Answer: It doesn't!

And he left no evidence on the 6th floor.  HA HA HA.

I've noticed you frequently laugh about your own stupidity. How in the world can you claim that Oswald left evidence on the 6th floor when you can't even prove that he was there when the shots were fired?

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« Reply #163 on: September 22, 2022, 05:47:15 PM »

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« Reply #164 on: September 22, 2022, 06:24:34 PM »
Just his rifle

"his rifle" LOL

and fired bullet casings from that rifle

there is no evidence those bullet casings were fired by the MC rifle on that day. In fact, it can't even be shown that the rifle itself was fired on 11/22/63.

by the window from which multiple witnesses saw a rifle pointing out the window at 12:30.

And how exactly does any of this prove, other than by pure flawed assumption, that Oswald was on the 6th floor at 12:30?

Answer: It doesn't!

And he left no evidence on the 6th floor.  HA HA HA.

I've noticed you frequently laugh about your own stupidity. How in the world can you claim that Oswald left evidence on the 6th floor when you can't even prove that he was there when the shots were fired?

There is no evidence those bullet casings were fired by the MC rifle on that day. In fact, it can't even be shown that the rifle itself was fired on 11/22/63.

But there is evidence that the spent shells were NOT fired on 11/22/63.....  One of the casings has been dented  and that had to have happened AFTER the shell was fired...It has always been a mystery about how that shell became dented ..... Until Mr Collins posted a cutaway drawing of the action of a Carcano.....  And then it was obvious how that shell had been dented.....

Sometime prior to 11/22/63 that spent shell had been used as as filler round in a clip and it was the bottom shell in the clip ....When the clip was inserted into the magazine the elevator came in contact with the empty shell  and when the person pushed the clip of cartridges down into the magazine the soft brass was dented by the elevator.    During normal operation the shells have a long projectile that makes the shell a solid surface and the live round does not become dented by the elevator.

I will try to post Mr Collins illustration that shows how that shell became dented.... 

My computer won't cut and paste .....See page 8 of the position of the bolt handle.....



In this cut way the bottom cartridge has the projectile in the cartridge......but if the projectile was not in the soft brass cartridge, that steel elevator would dent the case when the clip full of cartridges was pushed down into the magazine and latched.



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« Reply #164 on: September 22, 2022, 06:24:34 PM »

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« Reply #165 on: September 22, 2022, 10:26:39 PM »
"his rifle" LOL
 In fact, it can't even be shown that the rifle itself was fired on 11/22/63.
It was not tested to see if it was fired that day and it easily could have been. Why not?

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« Reply #166 on: September 22, 2022, 11:24:03 PM »
It was not tested to see if it was fired that day and it easily could have been. Why not?

Indeed    Thumb1:

"Richard" seems to believe that a rifle which Oswald allegedly ordered months earlier (which by itself is questionable) being found on the 6th floor somehow "proves" that Oswald was on the 6th floor when the shots were fired. It's beyond hilarious.

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« Reply #166 on: September 22, 2022, 11:24:03 PM »

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« Reply #167 on: September 23, 2022, 02:48:33 PM »
Just his rifle

"his rifle" LOL

and fired bullet casings from that rifle

there is no evidence those bullet casings were fired by the MC rifle on that day. In fact, it can't even be shown that the rifle itself was fired on 11/22/63.

by the window from which multiple witnesses saw a rifle pointing out the window at 12:30.

And how exactly does any of this prove, other than by pure flawed assumption, that Oswald was on the 6th floor at 12:30?

Answer: It doesn't!

And he left no evidence on the 6th floor.  HA HA HA.

I've noticed you frequently laugh about your own stupidity. How in the world can you claim that Oswald left evidence on the 6th floor when you can't even prove that he was there when the shots were fired?

And still no answer.  Do you accept the only implication of your claim being true or not?  If Oswald could not come down the stairs unnoticed as you claim, then he cannot have been the assassin.  Is that your position or not?  I can't fathom why this is so difficult to answer.  This is YOUR claim.

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« Reply #167 on: September 23, 2022, 02:48:33 PM »

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« Reply #168 on: September 23, 2022, 04:27:36 PM »
“Richard” needs to stop demanding that Martin prove a negative and answer his question. What is the evidence that Oswald was on the sixth floor at 12:30 pointing a rifle out the window? Do you have any or not?

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« Reply #168 on: September 23, 2022, 04:27:36 PM »

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« Reply #169 on: September 23, 2022, 05:00:44 PM »
And still no answer.  Do you accept the only implication of your claim being true or not?  If Oswald could not come down the stairs unnoticed as you claim, then he cannot have been the assassin.  Is that your position or not?  I can't fathom why this is so difficult to answer.  This is YOUR claim.

This is YOUR claim.

I can't fathom that you are incapable of understanding the difference between a claim and an opinion.

When I say that I can not see how Oswald could have gone down the stairs, within 75 seconds after the shots, without being noticed, I am not making a claim. It's an opinion based on the known information. Opinions can be changed when more conclusive evidence is presented!

You are the one making the claim that Oswald was on the 6th floor at the time of the shots and that he did manage to go down the stairs unnoticed. You need to, at least, explain how he was able to do that and you clearly can't.
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