Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?

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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2022, 01:27:49 AM »




That's a very good picture of ce 139.....   And I do believe that the stock was painted black at some point in time.   And I would guess that it was painted black over the brown finish that all carcano's left the factory with.  So WHO put the black paint on that rifle and Why?

I wonder if there is a list of the serial numbers of the rifles of the Guardie Del Duce?

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Online Dan O'meara

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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2022, 03:39:12 AM »
Did we ever resolve the problem of the discrepancy between the Alyea film that shows the carcano lying on the floor and Lt  Day grabbing the leather sling and lifting the rifle FROM THE FLOOR  while the official DPD in situ photo shows the rifle jammed between boxes of books?

Yes, about a dozen times.

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Re: Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2022, 07:09:17 AM »


That's a very good picture of ce 139.....   And I do believe that the stock was painted black at some point in time.   And I would guess that it was painted black over the brown finish that all carcano's left the factory with.  So WHO put the black paint on that rifle and Why?

I wonder if there is a list of the serial numbers of the rifles of the Guardie Del Duce?

Ya thanks but that was the picture you put up; I just applied a little contrast.
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Re: Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2022, 12:16:00 PM »

Same rifle as above

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Re: Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2022, 01:14:57 AM »
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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2022, 01:36:24 AM »
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ARE THESE TWO PHOTOS OF A CARCANO THE SAME RIFLE  ??


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Re: Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2022, 02:08:18 AM »
Yes, about a dozen times.

What was the explanation for the discrepancy between the Alyea film which shows Lt Day reaching out and picking up the rifle (which is lying on it's side )  by the leather sling and the official DPD in situ  photo which shows the rifle NOT lying on the floor but jammed upright between boxes.

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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2022, 02:53:34 AM »

Question for you Walt: If you try to make the rifle stand up by itself (on a flat surface like a floor) with the bottom (flat) part of the magazine as partially supporting the rifle, will it stay upright without any additional support?

If you try to make the rifle stand up by itself (on a flat surface like a floor) with the bottom (flat) part of the magazine as partially supporting the rifle, will it stay upright without any additional support?

Yes, my carcano will stand upright but my rifle does not have a two pound scope mounted off to the left side.




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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2022, 11:14:18 AM »
If you try to make the rifle stand up by itself (on a flat surface like a floor) with the bottom (flat) part of the magazine as partially supporting the rifle, will it stay upright without any additional support?

Yes, my carcano will stand upright but my rifle does not have a two pound scope mounted off to the left side.


Do you have an accurate weight of your rifle (no scope)?


Edit: I believe that Robert Frazier testified that the rifle and scope weighed 8-pounds. Wikipedia lists that model rifle as weighing 7.5-pounds. Therefore the scope weighs 1/2-pound. Not two pounds as you claim.
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Re: Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2022, 03:33:25 PM »

Do you have an accurate weight of your rifle (no scope)?


Edit: I believe that Robert Frazier testified that the rifle and scope weighed 8-pounds. Wikipedia lists that model rifle as weighing 7.5-pounds. Therefore the scope weighs 1/2-pound. Not two pounds as you claim.

The weight of the scope isn't critical.....I believe that the scope mounted on the left would cause the rifle to topple to the left if you tried to balance the rifle on it's magazine.   When i set my carcano on the floor it will balance on the magazine but it is a delicate balance.   A bit of wind from the side would probably cause it to fall over on it's side.

 

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