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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #464 on: August 23, 2022, 05:40:25 AM »
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #465 on: August 23, 2022, 12:49:06 PM »
Mr Ford.... You're presenting waaaaaaay too much commonsense ..... Anybody with an IQ greater than a turnip would know that the idea that Lee ( or anybody but a person with a neck like a giraffe ) couldn't stick his head out of a sixth floor window and see Jarman and Norman standing in front of the TSBD.   And then devine that they were contemplating  going to the 5th floor to watch the parade.

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #466 on: August 23, 2022, 01:54:02 PM »
You think there is some doubt that Oswald knew the time and route of the motorcade

Would this be the time the motorcade was supposed to pass by or the time it actually passed by?

LOL.  How about answering the question?  It wasn't like the motorcade was hours late.  Most such events run slightly behind schedule.  The weak and pathetic argument that Oswald had to know in real time the EXACT minute the motorcade would move through DP to pull this off is laughable.  He knew the scheduled time.  The motorcade was a few minutes late.  Big deal.  And until someone explains his rifle and fired shell casings being found on the 6th floor in a way that exonerates him, nothing else matters.  That evidence links him to this crime beyond any doubt.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #467 on: August 23, 2022, 02:22:16 PM »
“His rifle and fired shell casings”. LOL.

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« Reply #468 on: August 23, 2022, 02:33:24 PM »
LOL.  How about answering the question?  It wasn't like the motorcade was hours late.  Most such events run slightly behind schedule.  The weak and pathetic argument that Oswald had to know in real time the EXACT minute the motorcade would move through DP to pull this off is laughable.  He knew the scheduled time.  The motorcade was a few minutes late.  Big deal.  And until someone explains his rifle and fired shell casings being found on the 6th floor in a way that exonerates him, nothing else matters.  That evidence links him to this crime beyond any doubt.

How about answering the question?

Why don't you do what you preach? And what question would that be? I didn't see any in your last rant.

It wasn't like the motorcade was hours late.

No, I wasn't hours. It was in fact some 15 minutes, which means that if Oswald was aware of the scheduled time, he would have had no reason to be up there before 12:10 and risk being seen, but he would have had to have been in place no later than 12:15, which is a problem as Bonnie Ray Williams was up there at that time eating his lunch. So, the question is; how did Oswald get into the sniper's nest between 12:10 and 12:15 without BRW seeing or hearing him and how could Carolyn Arnold see him on (iirc) the second floor either at 12:15 or 12:25?

And until someone explains his rifle and fired shell casings being found on the 6th floor in a way that exonerates him, nothing else matters. 

"His rifle"  lol

And what "fired shell casings" would that be? The ones Fritz picked up or the ones he threw down on the floor?

That evidence links him to this crime beyond any doubt.

Hardly conclusive. Even if it was his rifle, that still does not mean he shot it on 11/22 and those shells could have come from bullets that were fired at any time.

You are making two classic mistakes over and over again. (1) you are jumping to conclusions not supported by the evidence and (2) you lack completely the capacity to look at evidence objectively. Instead of making any conclusive points you just produce rant after rant without actually saying anything even remotely significant.

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #469 on: August 23, 2022, 03:05:06 PM »
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Hardly conclusive. Even if it was his rifle, that still does not mean he shot it on 11/22 and those shells could have come from bullets that were fired at any time.

You are making two classic mistakes over and over again. (1) you are jumping to conclusions not supported by the evidence and (2) you lack completely the capacity to look at evidence objectively. Instead of making any conclusive points you just produce rant after rant without actually saying anything even remotely significant.

This is classic contrarian rabbit hole.  You engage in all manner baseless and unsupported speculation about Oswald's movements in the minutes leading up to the assassination, reject documented evidence of his ownership of the rifle, make idiotic claims like he must have had superpowers to hide behind some boxes, but then lecture others on jumping to conclusion!  HA HA HA.  Comedy gold considering the source.  Absent a time machine, there literally couldn't be ANY MORE evidence of Oswald's ownership of the rifle.  And we are supposed to believe that the presence of Oswald's rifle in the building, and on very floor from which witnesses saw a rifle at the moment of the assassination, with fired bullet casings from that rifle by that very window has some contrary explanation.  Oswald himself lies about ownership of this rifle.  He provides no explanation for its presence on the floor.  But we are supposed to ignore all this and entertain some wild, baseless speculation that some unspecified person obtained access to Oswald's rifle, carried it to his place of employment, assassinated JFK and left it there!  Unreal.  Talk about jumping to conclusions.  And Oswald helps to frame himself by fleeing the scene, getting his pistol, and killing and a police officer.  No normal person with a functioning brain can believe this fantasy scenario.  You can't possibly believe that unless you are delusional.  Rather, this seems like some type of game to play the contrarian and string out the discussion.  You know enough about the facts and circumstance to understand that Oswald was the assassin. 

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #470 on: August 23, 2022, 03:25:30 PM »
LOL.  How about answering the question?  It wasn't like the motorcade was hours late.  Most such events run slightly behind schedule.  The weak and pathetic argument that Oswald had to know in real time the EXACT minute the motorcade would move through DP to pull this off is laughable.  He knew the scheduled time.  The motorcade was a few minutes late.  Big deal.  And until someone explains his rifle and fired shell casings being found on the 6th floor in a way that exonerates him, nothing else matters.  That evidence links him to this crime beyond any doubt.

The only thing that matters is that Oswald got what he deserved

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #471 on: August 23, 2022, 03:32:42 PM »
This is classic contrarian rabbit hole.  You engage in all manner baseless and unsupported speculation about Oswald's movements in the minutes leading up to the assassination, reject documented evidence of his ownership of the rifle, make idiotic claims like he must have had superpowers to hide behind some boxes, but then lecture others on jumping to conclusion!  HA HA HA.  Comedy gold considering the source.  Absent a time machine, there literally couldn't be ANY MORE evidence of Oswald's ownership of the rifle.  And we are supposed to believe that the presence of Oswald's rifle in the building, and on very floor from which witnesses saw a rifle at the moment of the assassination, with fired bullet casings from that rifle by that very window has some contrary explanation.  Oswald himself lies about ownership of this rifle.  He provides no explanation for its presence on the floor.  But we are supposed to ignore all this and entertain some wild, baseless speculation that some unspecified person obtained access to Oswald's rifle, carried it to his place of employment, assassinated JFK and left it there!  Unreal.  Talk about jumping to conclusions.  And Oswald helps to frame himself by fleeing the scene, getting his pistol, and killing and a police officer.  No normal person with a functioning brain can believe this fantasy scenario.  You can't possibly believe that unless you are delusional.  Rather, this seems like some type of game to play the contrarian and string out the discussion.  You know enough about the facts and circumstance to understand that Oswald was the assassin.

You engage in all manner baseless and unsupported speculation about Oswald's movements in the minutes leading up to the assassination

Coming from you, this is hilarious. The one actually speculating is you. You claim he was on the 6th floor but haven't got a shred of evidence for that claim.

reject documented evidence of his ownership of the rifle

You don't know the difference between "reject" and "question"?

make idiotic claims like he must have had superpowers to hide behind some boxes,

Misrepresent much? I said that, according to your idiotic claims, for which you don't offer any evidence, you have to conclude that Oswald must have had super powers to get to the 6th floor, into the sniper's nest and then downstairs to the 2nd floor without anybody seeing or hearing him. Nothing you have said or are able to say contradicts that conclusion.

Absent a time machine, there literally couldn't be ANY MORE evidence of Oswald's ownership of the rifle.

That's your speculative opinion, for which you can not make a conclusive case.

But we are supposed to ignore all this and entertain some wild, baseless speculation that some unspecified person obtained access to Oswald's rifle, carried it to his place of employment, assassinated JFK and left it there!  Unreal.

And there's the strawman.... You always come up with one, when you lack anything conclusive to support your speculation.

Oswald himself lies about ownership of this rifle.

As you can not prove he owned a rifle, you also can not conclude that he lied. Wanna prove me wrong? Provide the evidence that Oswald owned the rifle that was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

And Oswald helps to frame himself by fleeing the scene, getting his pistol, and killing and a police officer.

Your assumptions are not evidence

No normal person with a functioning brain can believe this fantasy scenario.  You can't possibly believe that unless you are delusional.  Rather, this seems like some type of game to play the contrarian and string out the discussion.  You know enough about the facts and circumstance to understand that Oswald was the assassin.

And there is the usual whining again about anybody who doesn't agree with your narrowminded, shallow, opinions. One trick pony strikes again.

In the meantime, nowhere in this rant is a plausible explanation for how Oswald is supposed to have gotten into the sniper's nest around 12:15 without Bonnie Ray Williams seeing or hearing him and he he got down to the second floor without being seen or heard by anybody either. Why am I not surprised?