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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #280 on: August 11, 2022, 05:28:06 PM »


Is it a description of a man seen firing from an upper window of the Depository?

Why do you appear to think that Inspector Sawyer, a seasoned veteran police officer, would inexplicably leave the all-important fact out that the suspect was seen firing from the window?


These four broadcasts occurred just prior to the one we are discussing:

Officer 142 - I just talked to a guy up here wno was standing close
to it and the best he could tell it came from the
Texas School Book Dapository Building here with that
Hertz Renting sign on top .

Officer 260 - I have a witness that says that it came from the 5th
floor of the Texas Bock Depository Store .

Officer 22 - Get some men up here to cover this school depository
building . It's believed the shot came from, as you
see it on Elm Street, looking toward the building,
it would be upper right hand corner, second window
from the end .

Officer 137 - We have a man here who says he seen him pull the
weap,;^ back through the window from Southeast corner
of that depcsitnry bud,'ding .


Therefore, the general location of the source of the shots had already been reported. Why do you appear to think the location needed to be repeated again? Sawyer was reporting a description of the suspect.


Why do you appear to think that Inspector Sawyer, a seasoned veteran police officer, would inexplicably forget Mr Brennan's very important clothing description?

I don't think that. I believe that Brennan, in all the excitement and at the moment he was first asked, couldn't remember it (but after a short while and a little thought he did remember it by the time Forrest Sorrels escorted him to the Sheriff's Office). If you consider that Sawyer might have said "currently, witness can't remember..." instead of "current witness can't remember..." it makes better sense to me. The last syllable of "currently might have easily been lost when trying to interpret the recording.



Again, you're rather confused, Mr Collins.

The Dispatcher has to explain to Insp. Sawyer that there is little or no doubt that the shots were indeed fired from an upper window of the building:

"531 (Sergeant G.D. Henslee)   Well, all the information we have receive, 9, indicates that it did come from about the 5th or 4th floor of that building."

Why do you think that might be? Hm? And why do you think Insp. Sawyer doesn't reply, "I know that, my witness saw him do it"?


Sawyer was trying to be the initial command center at this very early point in time. He was hearing a lot of different accounts. Many people (including many officers) initially thought the shots came from other places than the TSBD (the bushes, the picket fence, the triple overpass, etc). Those accounts, being listened to by Sawyer just prior to that point in time, would plenty of reasons for Sawyer to have some initial doubts that Brennan's account was accurate. Just because Sawyer doesn't broadcast Brennan's name, address, and social security number, doesn't mean that it wasn't Brennan's description.



The only thing nutty here, Mr Collins, is your wild theory that a group of law enforcement officials would have the discursive control of a bunch of elementary school kids and allow a man seen firing from an upper window of the Depository morph into a man seen running from the building carrying a 30:30 or some type of Winchester rifle. Amazing how the description-of-suspect details remain identical with the radio broadcast details, yet a radically different description of the context of the sighting manages to creep in. I guess you believe these guys had the cognitive sophistication of law enforcement officials for part of the sentence, but then went all elementary school for the rest.


I don't have any idea where Batchelor got his information (the memo doesn't say, so it could have been passed through several others before Batchelor got it) but then the message is passed to Vincent Drain, then it was passed to James Malley, then it was passed on to Gordon Shanklin. It appears that all of these transmissions must have been verbal until Shanklin prepares his memo. It doesn't matter whether they were school children or professional law enforcement officers, when a message is verbally passed through that many people, the chances of it being anywhere near correct at the end of the line are slim and none. Getting part of it right and being wrong on other parts would be expected. The only thing that surprises me is that apparently Shanklin put it in writing without verifying it was accurate. But when one considers that Shanklin allegedly ordered the destruction of the LHO note, it shows that he tended to react rather badly under pressure. Many people do just that.  No one to my knowledge has confirmed or corroborated the mystery suspect that you so desperately want to believe in, no one. All you have is a memo that seems to include some details that are not accurate. And by the way, I don't believe that I have ever said anything at all about the Stroud letter.

(Oswald ) Says...  Two fellow colored employees walked by the lunchroom while he was eating lunch. One called Junior and other man short stature .....Says he didn't know their names.  Check with Mr Truly to see if he knows the two men.

The two men were Junior Jarman and Harold Norman and they swore that they in fact did walk by the 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:27....

Lee's statement of seeing those two walk by the lunchroom is a rock solid alibi..... But Lee wasn't using it as an alibi when he replied to Fritz's question ..... He was simply stating what he saw while he was there in that lunchroom. He had no idea that Fritz would question Jarman and Norman, or if they would verify that they had in fact walked by the lunchroom.

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« Reply #281 on: August 11, 2022, 06:12:46 PM »
Inspector Sawyer, notably, does not put out any broadcast on that. Yet he has supposedly just spoken with a witness who could speak very specifically to that.

Inpsector Sawyer will have obviously connected the man seen running from the building with a rifle to the man other witnesses had seen at the window. However, such a connection will have been provisional in his seasoned veteran's mind: hence his pointed statement of uncertainty as to whether the man seen running from the building had been in that building in the first place. And hence the Dispatcher's pointed words in response to him: "Well, all the information we have receive, 9, indicates that it did come from about the 5th or 4th floor of that building."

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Keep reaching, Mr Collins!

You're right in one respect: Insp. Sawyer has heard different (and probably conflicting) reports. But he knows for sure that a man was seen running from the building with a rifle in his hand, and that the witness can give a good description. While the obvious conclusion is that this man was the man others report as having seen firing from an upper window of the building, this is far from the only possible conclusion. The man might have been handed the weapon by the real shooter, who might still be in the building. He might have had the weapon dropped down to him from a high window. The man might have fired from west of the Depository and run behind it for cover, before running on further. He might have been but one of several shooters.

All Insp. Sawyer knows for sure is that a man seen running with a rifle in his hand shortly after the shooting is most definitely a suspect and is at large------------and so he puts out the description. That description comes from a witness who has no clothing description, and thinks the rifle was a "30.30 or some type of Winchester rifle"------------i.e. a witness other than Mr Brennan

Don't be silly! He spoke with Insp. Sawyer. If his source had been someone other than Insp. Sawyer, dontcha think he would have checked with Insp. Sawyer before passing on such bombshell information to Special Agent Drain? Being some ways past elementary school level of training and all?


Sawyer makes all of this very clear in his testimony. I have bolded the parts that spell out that apparently it was Brennan who gave Sawyer the description that Sawyer broadcast about 12:44. So your silly theory that it was some mystery witness who supposedly saw a man with a rifle going out the back of the building who gave Sawyer that description has been shown to be completely false.




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Mr. BELIN. All right, now, sir; you did broadcast that description out of this
man?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, that’s correct.
Mr. BELIN. That shows on the radio log. Where did you get that description
from?

Mr. SAWYER. We are talking now about the colored man?
Mr. BELIN. No, I am talking about the one that is on Sawyer’s Deposition
Exhibit A. that shows you at 12 :43.

Mr. SAWYER. That description came to me mainly from one witness who
claimed to have seen the rifle barrel in the fifth or sixth floor of the building,
and claimed to have been able to see the man up there.

Mr. BELIIP. Do you know this person’s name?
Mr. SAWYER. I do not.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know anything about him, what he was wearing?
Mr. SAWYER. Except that he was-I don’t remember what he was wearing.
I remember that he was a white man and that he wasn’t young and he wasn’t
old. He was there. That is the only two things that I can remember about
him.
Mr. BELIN. What age would you categorize as young?
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Mr. SAWYER. Around 35 would be my best recollection of it, but it could be a
few years either way.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember if he was tall or short, or can’t YOU remember
anything about him?
Mr. SAWYER. I can’t remember that much about him. I was real hazy about
that.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where he said he was standing when he saw
the person with the rifle?
Mr. SAWYER. I didn’t go into detail with him except that from the best of
my recollection, he was standing where he could have seen him. But there
were too many people coming up with questions to go into detail. I got the
description and sent him on over to the Sheriff’s Office.

Mr. BELIN. Inspector, do you remember anything else about this person who
you say gave you the primary description?
Mr. SAWYER. No, I do not, except that I did send him with an escort to the
Sheriff’s Office to give fuller or more complete detail.

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Mr. BELIN. What about this person, who I will call the primary description
witness, did he say what side of the building it was on?
Mr. SAWYER. He went and pointed out the window which I now note to be
the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was the fifth floor.
Mr. BELIN. The fifth floor?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What side of the building?
Mr. SAWYER. On the south side of the building, and the southeast corner.
Mr. BELIN. Did you talk to any witness, or did any witness talk to you who
claimed to see any rifle or portion of a rifle at any place other than a window
of Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. SAWYER. No, did any

Mr. BELIN. Did any officer give you any information about talking to anyone
who saw a rifle or a portion of a rifle at any place other than a window in the
Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. SAWYER. No, not to my knowledge.

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« Reply #281 on: August 11, 2022, 06:12:46 PM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #282 on: August 11, 2022, 08:28:33 PM »

Sawyer makes all of this very clear in his testimony. I have bolded the parts that spell out that apparently it was Brennan who gave Sawyer the description that Sawyer broadcast about 12:44. So your silly theory that it was some mystery witness who supposedly saw a man with a rifle going out the back of the building who gave Sawyer that description has been shown to be completely false.




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Mr. BELIN. All right, now, sir; you did broadcast that description out of this
man?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, that’s correct.
Mr. BELIN. That shows on the radio log. Where did you get that description
from?

Mr. SAWYER. We are talking now about the colored man?
Mr. BELIN. No, I am talking about the one that is on Sawyer’s Deposition
Exhibit A. that shows you at 12 :43.

Mr. SAWYER. That description came to me mainly from one witness who
claimed to have seen the rifle barrel in the fifth or sixth floor of the building,
and claimed to have been able to see the man up there.

Mr. BELIIP. Do you know this person’s name?
Mr. SAWYER. I do not.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know anything about him, what he was wearing?
Mr. SAWYER. Except that he was-I don’t remember what he was wearing.
I remember that he was a white man and that he wasn’t young and he wasn’t
old. He was there. That is the only two things that I can remember about
him.
Mr. BELIN. What age would you categorize as young?
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Mr. SAWYER. Around 35 would be my best recollection of it, but it could be a
few years either way.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember if he was tall or short, or can’t YOU remember
anything about him?
Mr. SAWYER. I can’t remember that much about him. I was real hazy about
that.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where he said he was standing when he saw
the person with the rifle?
Mr. SAWYER. I didn’t go into detail with him except that from the best of
my recollection, he was standing where he could have seen him. But there
were too many people coming up with questions to go into detail. I got the
description and sent him on over to the Sheriff’s Office.

Mr. BELIN. Inspector, do you remember anything else about this person who
you say gave you the primary description?
Mr. SAWYER. No, I do not, except that I did send him with an escort to the
Sheriff’s Office to give fuller or more complete detail.

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Mr. BELIN. What about this person, who I will call the primary description
witness, did he say what side of the building it was on?
Mr. SAWYER. He went and pointed out the window which I now note to be
the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was the fifth floor.
Mr. BELIN. The fifth floor?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What side of the building?
Mr. SAWYER. On the south side of the building, and the southeast corner.
Mr. BELIN. Did you talk to any witness, or did any witness talk to you who
claimed to see any rifle or portion of a rifle at any place other than a window
of Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. SAWYER. No, did any

Mr. BELIN. Did any officer give you any information about talking to anyone
who saw a rifle or a portion of a rifle at any place other than a window in the
Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. SAWYER. No, not to my knowledge.


What does this discussion have to do with Lee Oswald's statement to Captain Fritz?  Lee told Fritz that he was in the 1st floor lunchroom when JFK passed by the TSBD..... And while he was in that lunchroom he saw Jarman and Norman walk by the lunchroom.  The time they walked by was 12:27..... 

Spectators on the streets in front of the TSBD saw a man who was wearing khaki colored clothing and holding a rifle, standing behind a 6th floor window at the time that Lee Oswald was in the 1st floor lunchroom....

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« Reply #282 on: August 11, 2022, 08:28:33 PM »

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« Reply #283 on: August 11, 2022, 08:35:08 PM »

Sawyer makes all of this very clear in his testimony.

The gullibility of these Warren Gullibles never ceases to amaze and entertain!  :D

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« Reply #284 on: August 11, 2022, 08:45:38 PM »
(Oswald ) Says...  Two fellow colored employees walked by the lunchroom while he was eating lunch. One called Junior and other man short stature .....Says he didn't know their names.  Check with Mr Truly to see if he knows the two men.

The two men were Junior Jarman and Harold Norman and they swore that they in fact did walk by the 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:27....

Lee's statement of seeing those two walk by the lunchroom is a rock solid alibi..... But Lee wasn't using it as an alibi when he replied to Fritz's question ..... He was simply stating what he saw while he was there in that lunchroom. He had no idea that Fritz would question Jarman and Norman, or if they would verify that they had in fact walked by the lunchroom.

As I'm sure you know, Mr Cakebread, the Warren Gullibles have tried to push back on this with the following argument:

Mr Oswald, from the 6th floor, noticed Messrs Jarman & Norman down on the street walk down towards the rear of the building. A little later, he heard their voices a floor below. Later, in custody, he exploited his inference that they had come in by the back door.

The problem with this is a guilty Mr Oswald cannot have known for certain that the domino room did not contain several people at this time. So describing such is a big risk. Yet he confidently describes a domino room he had to himself. V. telling-------------and that the 'investigating' authorities understood this is proved by the fact that they inflated his actual claim (saw Junior & short guy walking through) into 'ate lunch with Junior & Shorty'.

If I were a Warren Gullible I would supplement my Jarman/Norman theory by postulating a live video feed of the domino room that evil Mr Oswald had

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« Reply #285 on: August 11, 2022, 09:51:18 PM »
As I'm sure you know, Mr Cakebread, the Warren Gullibles have tried to push back on this with the following argument:

Mr Oswald, from the 6th floor, noticed Messrs Jarman & Norman down on the street walk down towards the rear of the building. A little later, he heard their voices a floor below. Later, in custody, he exploited his inference that they had come in by the back door.

The problem with this is a guilty Mr Oswald cannot have known for certain that the domino room did not contain several people at this time. So describing such is a big risk. Yet he confidently describes a domino room he had to himself. V. telling-------------and that the 'investigating' authorities understood this is proved by the fact that they inflated his actual claim (saw Junior & short guy walking through) into 'ate lunch with Junior & Shorty'.

If I were a Warren Gullible I would supplement my Jarman/Norman theory by postulating a live video feed of the domino room that evil Mr Oswald had

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Mr Ford.... You're presenting waaaaaaay too much commonsense ..... Anybody with an IQ greater than a turnip would know that the idea that Lee ( or anybody but a person with a neck like a giraffe ) couldn't stick his head out of a sixth floor window and see Jarman and Norman standing in front of the TSBD.   And then devine that they were contemplating  going to the 5th floor to watch the parade.
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« Reply #286 on: August 14, 2022, 07:09:33 PM »
(Oswald ) Says...  Two fellow colored employees walked by the lunchroom while he was eating lunch. One called Junior and other man short stature .....Says he didn't know their names.  Check with Mr Truly to see if he knows the two men.

The two men were Junior Jarman and Harold Norman and they swore that they in fact did walk by the 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:27....

Lee's statement of seeing those two walk by the lunchroom is a rock solid alibi..... But Lee wasn't using it as an alibi when he replied to Fritz's question ..... He was simply stating what he saw while he was there in that lunchroom. He had no idea that Fritz would question Jarman and Norman, or if they would verify that they had in fact walked by the lunchroom.

Jarman's WC Testimony

Mr. BALL - Where did you stand?
Mr. JARMAN - I was standing over to the right in front of the building going toward the west.
Mr. BALL - Were you on the sidewalk or curb?
Mr. JARMAN - On the sidewalk.
Mr. BALL - The sidewalk in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - How long did you stand there?
Mr. JARMAN - Well, until about 12:20, between 12:20 and 12:25.
Mr. BALL - Who do you remember was standing near you that worked with you in the Book Depository?
Mr. JARMAN - Harold Norman and Charles Givens and Daniel Arce.
Mr. BALL - What about Mr. Truly?
Mr. JARMAN - He wasn't standing close to me.
Mr. BALL - Did you see him?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Who was he with?
Mr. JARMAN. He was with the Vice President of the company.
Mr. BALL - What is his name?
Mr. JARMAN - O. V. Campbell.
Mr. BALL - Where were they standing?
Mr. JARMAN - They were standing at the corner of the building in front of the mail boxes.


 Jarman met up with Norman on the way outside. They were with Givens and Arce and standing west of the steps on the sidewalk.  He noticed Truly and Campbell east of the steps. When asked about Lovelady, he remembered him (they) came out later. Was he referring to Shelley as well?

Representative FORD - You testified earlier that you were standing on the steps or in front of the School Depository Building prior to the President's motorcade coming by the building.
Mr. JARMAN - No, sir. I was standing on the sidewalk.
Representative FORD - But in front of the building?
Mr. JARMAN - In front of the building.
Representative FORD - Then you said you went around the building.
Mr. JARMAN - Yes.
Representative FORD - What route did you take? Did you go down Elm or did you go down Houston?
Mr. JARMAN - I went to the corner of the building facing Elm, and turned going north on Houston.
Representative FORD - Can you turn around and--here is the main entrance on Elm Street. And you were standing out on the sidewalk more or less where?
Mr. JARMAN - Right here.
Representative FORD - In which direction did you go then?
Mr. JARMAN - This way.
Representative FORD - You went by the front to the corner of Houston and Elm, and then down Houston towards the loading dock?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.
Representative FORD - And where did you get on the elevator?
Mr. JARMAN - We walked around to the back entrance and went through this door here, and this elevator here was up on six, I believe. And we walked around the elevator and took the west elevator up.
Representative FORD - How could you tell this elevator was at six?
Mr. JARMAN - Because after we got around to the other side we looked up.
Representative FORD - You could see it was on six?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes.
Representative FORD - This was about what time?
Mr. JARMAN - That was about 12:25 or 12:28.
Representative FORD - You got off the fifth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.
Representative FORD - As you rode the elevator, you noticed the other one was on the sixth floor?
Mr. JARMAN - Right, sir.


He estimates the time was 12.25-12.28 when they arrived at the 5th floor windows, just minutes before the shots.

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« Reply #287 on: August 14, 2022, 10:27:22 PM »

He estimates the time was 12.25-12.28 when they arrived at the 5th floor windows, just minutes before the shots.
Here's what I don't get..
JFK was scheduled to speak at the Dallas Trade Mart at 12:30 PM.
An announcement came there that the motorcade was running behind the timetable---
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The entire faculty of the center and their wives were invited to the luncheon in a huge building downtown. There were hundreds of tables, and President Kennedy was supposed to address that huge audience of notables from Dallas at 12:30. People were there at 12 o’clock; then it became 12:30. Somebody came to the podium and said that people should start eating, that there would be a delay in Kennedy’s appearance.
https://magazine.utdallas.edu/the-jfk-connection/

Why would those guys take a chance of missing the parade [as scheduled] by abandoning their spot and walking all the way around to the rear of the building and then taking some pokey elevator to the upper floors?
Also...how would a snipers' nest shooter [who had no such information about the delay] know when to occupy their position?
The newspapers having also published the agenda...the motorcade should then have been through Dealey Plaza at perhaps between 11:50-12:10ish---allowing 5-10 minutes to arrive at the Trade Mart parking lot and JFK to have time to arrive at the podium.
Only a team with radio communication would be able to relay the actual accurate progress of the motorcade.

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« Reply #288 on: August 14, 2022, 10:41:37 PM »
Here's what I don't get..
JFK was scheduled to speak at the Dallas Trade Mart at 12:30 PM.
An announcement came there that the motorcade was running behind the timetable---https://magazine.utdallas.edu/the-jfk-connection/

Why would those guys take a chance of missing the parade [as scheduled] by abandoning their spot and walking all the way around to the rear of the building and then taking some pokey elevator to the upper floors?
Also...how would a snipers' nest shooter [who had no such information about the delay] know when to occupy their position?
The newspapers having also published the agenda...the motorcade should then have been through Dealey Plaza at perhaps between 11:50-12:10ish---allowing 5-10 minutes to arrive at the Trade Mart parking lot and JFK to have time to arrive at the podium.
Only a team with radio communication would be able to relay the actual accurate progress of the motorcade.

a team with radio communication would be able to relay the actual accurate progress of the motorcade.

Yes, You're right ....  And the DPD had the radio communication....

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« Reply #289 on: August 15, 2022, 04:19:48 PM »
Here's what I don't get..
JFK was scheduled to speak at the Dallas Trade Mart at 12:30 PM.
An announcement came there that the motorcade was running behind the timetable---https://magazine.utdallas.edu/the-jfk-connection/

Why would those guys take a chance of missing the parade [as scheduled] by abandoning their spot and walking all the way around to the rear of the building and then taking some pokey elevator to the upper floors?
Also...how would a snipers' nest shooter [who had no such information about the delay] know when to occupy their position?
The newspapers having also published the agenda...the motorcade should then have been through Dealey Plaza at perhaps between 11:50-12:10ish---allowing 5-10 minutes to arrive at the Trade Mart parking lot and JFK to have time to arrive at the podium.
Only a team with radio communication would be able to relay the actual accurate progress of the motorcade.

The progress of the motorcade was being reported in real time over the broadcast and police radios.  I recall some witness in Dealey Plaza noting that they could hear the location of the motorcade being reported via the motorcycle police radios.  In addition, there was a lot of noise as the motorcade approached.  The sound of the crowd and caravan of motorcycles etc.  These events almost always run behind schedule.

 

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