A Rock Solid Alibi.....

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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #260 on: August 09, 2022, 11:03:07 PM »
The witness (NOT Mr Brennan, who was a witness but not the one whose description made Insp. Sawyer put out the broadcast) said he saw a man "carrying what looks to be a 30-30 or some type of Winchester". The witness had seen this man running from the building carrying such a rifle.

Hence Insp. Sawyer does NOT say the suspect "may be carrying the rifle he fired with - a 30-30 or some type of Winchester". He knows the shooter was seen fleeing with his weapon.



If a witness told Sawyer that he had seen a man running away from the building with a rifle, why would Sawyer then state that it was unknown if he was still in the building and not known if he was there in the first place?    ???

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« Reply #261 on: August 09, 2022, 11:52:14 PM »

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« Reply #262 on: August 10, 2022, 12:01:21 AM »



First sentence: “estimated weight 150-pounds”.  This would be somewhat comparable to Brennan’s estimate, but from a much closer distance and no clothes to influence the guess.


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« Reply #263 on: August 10, 2022, 12:26:23 AM »
That doesn’t change the fact that Oswald was 131 pounds.

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« Reply #264 on: August 10, 2022, 12:35:20 AM »
That doesn’t change the fact that Oswald was 131 pounds.

You apparently missed my point regarding Walt’s “logic”. He seems to think that if a witness didn’t guess the correct weight, then it couldn’t have been LHO. I wasn’t trying to say LHO actually weighed 150 pounds. Just that the estimated weight is 150 pounds. Get it?

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« Reply #265 on: August 10, 2022, 12:55:10 AM »
I get what you’re saying but an estimate of a corpse doesn’t really equate to an estimate of a living person (bloating, rigor mortis, etc).

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« Reply #266 on: August 10, 2022, 01:02:37 AM »
I get what you’re saying but an estimate of a corpse doesn’t really equate to an estimate of a living person (bloating, rigor mortis, etc).

There wasn’t enough time between his death and the autopsy for any of that stuff. He wasn’t even cold yet.

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« Reply #267 on: August 10, 2022, 01:11:38 AM »


If a witness told Sawyer that he had seen a man running away from the building with a rifle, why would Sawyer then state that it was unknown if he was still in the building and not known if he was there in the first place?    ???

Because Insp. Sawyer understands that it is possible the man, if an employee in the building, tossed the rifle and returned to the building to blend in; but that it is also possible he didn't fire from that building at all. He is cautioning against drawing conclusions.

Hence the response to Insp. Sawyer's broadcast: "531 (Sergeant G.D. Henslee)   Well, all the information we have receive, 9, indicates that it did come from about the 5th or 4th floor of that building."

i.e. everything points to the fact that this did come from the building, so we can be confident the man you describe was in that building in the first place (i.e. at the time of the shooting)

Sgt. Henslee would not need to be pointing this out to Insp. Sawyer if the latter had gotten his description from Mr Brennan.

Again, this isn't speculation. Law enforcement knew all about it:



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« Reply #268 on: August 10, 2022, 01:41:28 AM »
Because Insp. Sawyer understands that it is possible the man, if an employee in the building, tossed the rifle and returned to the building to blend in; but that it is also possible he didn't fire from that building at all. He is cautioning against drawing conclusions.

Hence the response to Insp. Sawyer's broadcast: "531 (Sergeant G.D. Henslee)   Well, all the information we have receive, 9, indicates that it did come from about the 5th or 4th floor of that building."

i.e. everything points to the fact that this did come from the building, so we can be confident the man you describe was in that building in the first place (i.e. at the time of the shooting)

Sgt. Henslee would not need to be pointing this out to Insp. Sawyer if the latter had gotten his description from Mr Brennan.

Again, this isn't speculation. Law enforcement knew all about it:



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So, do you really believe that Sawyer would let an alleged suspect, that an alleged unknown witness described as leaving the building with a rifle, just get away by not at least informing his department what this unknown witness said?   ???    ::) 


And do you really believe that Sawyer would just let an eyewitness (that said he saw a man with a rifle leaving the building) just disappear without at least getting his name and contact information?   ???    ::)



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« Reply #268 on: August 10, 2022, 01:41:28 AM »

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« Reply #269 on: August 10, 2022, 01:47:26 AM »
That doesn’t change the fact that Oswald was 131 pounds.

Mr Collins must have missed the word "ESTIMATED" ......because on the dearg certificate the weight is listed as 131 pounds.

 

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