A Rock Solid Alibi.....


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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #216 on: August 06, 2022, 02:21:12 AM »
No, the uncertainty part was concerning Charles Givens. They put out a description of Givens because they were trying to locate him.

The witness couldn't give a clothing description for Mr Givens?

And what makes you say Insp. Sawyer's "unknown if he was there in the first place" remark relates to Mr Givens?
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« Reply #217 on: August 06, 2022, 02:37:46 AM »
The witness couldn't give a clothing description for Mr Givens?

And what makes you say Insp. Sawyer's "unknown if he was there in the first place" remark relates to Mr Givens?

I was mistaken about Givens. That was later.


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« Reply #218 on: August 06, 2022, 02:43:39 AM »
I was mistaken about Givens. That was later.

Thank you, Mr Collins-----it was indeed later, a lot later.

So! Are you saying that Mr Howard Brennan's on-the-scene description of the man he saw firing from the sixth-floor window is the description in relation to which Insp. Sawyer says the witness cannot remember enough to give a clothing description? And that it is "unknown if he was in the building in the first place"?

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« Reply #219 on: August 06, 2022, 03:08:02 AM »
Thank you, Mr Collins-----it was indeed later, a lot later.

So! Are you saying that Mr Howard Brennan's on-the-scene description of the man he saw firing from the sixth-floor window is the descrption in relation to which Insp. Sawyer says the witness cannot remember enough to give a clothing description? And that it is "unknown if he was in the building in the first place"?

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This was during the first 15 to 20 minutes after the shots. They were still trying to figure out what happened.

“From this building it is unknown if he is still there or not. Unknown if
he was there in the first place.”
Mr. BELIN. Then it reads back here, “All the information we have received, indicates it did come from the fifth or fourth of that building.”
That is the central headquarters back to you, is that it?
Mr. SAWYER. That’s right.


Why are you asking about this?

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« Reply #220 on: August 06, 2022, 03:13:38 AM »
This was during the first 15 to 20 minutes after the shots. They were still trying to figure out what happened.

“From this building it is unknown if he is still there or not. Unknown if
he was there in the first place.”
Mr. BELIN. Then it reads back here, “All the information we have received, indicates it did come from the fifth or fourth of that building.”
That is the central headquarters back to you, is that it?
Mr. SAWYER. That’s right.


Why are you asking about this?

Ah ok, I think I get it now, Mr Collins.

So:

Insp. Sawyer hears from Mr Brennan about a man firing from an upper window of the Depository. Mr Brennan gives him a description of the shooter, including a clothing description (light-colored), which we know Mr Brennan was able to give. And then Insp. Sawyer gives that description (but without any reference to clothing) over the police radio, before proceeding to
a) say that the witness cannot remember anything as to clothing;
b) express uncertainty as to whether the man seen firing from an upper window of the Depository was even in the Depository in the first place.

Is that about the size of it?
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« Reply #221 on: August 06, 2022, 03:27:09 AM »
Ah ok, I think I get it now, Mr Collins.

So:

Insp. Sawyer hears from Mr Brennan about a man firing from an upper window of the Depository. Mr Brennan gives him a description of the shooter, including a clothing description (light-colored), which we know Mr Brennan was able to give. And then Insp. Sawyer gives that description (but without any reference to clothing) over the police radio, before proceeding to
a) say that the witness cannot remember anything as to clothing;
b) express uncertainty as to whether the man seen firing from an upper window of the Depository was even in the Depository in the first place.

Is that about the size of it?

Holding for Hux?   ::)
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« Reply #222 on: August 06, 2022, 03:43:47 AM »
Holding for Huck?   ::)

So: it is clear that you cannot think of a way to reconcile these things Insp. Sawyer said over the radio with your claim that the witness giving the suspect description he put out was Mr Brennan. In fact, you are quite at a loss.

That's okay, Mr Collins. We're understanding people. And we take heart from the fact that you have been disabused of the dreadful misapprehension you have been laboring under that these things Insp. Sawyer said over the radio related to Mr Charles Givens. This means that you can now decontaminate your brain of the WC propaganda you were fed about this issue and actually approach it for the very first time with some logical thinking.

If you go bravely forth into this exciting new world of evidence-based research, you have every hope of coming to the realization that your claim that the witness behind the suspect description was Mr Brennan is perfectly absurd. This will be a painful realization for you, but it promises to be a crucial first step out of the judgment-addling fog of Warren Gullibility into which you so sadly wandered a long time ago. No pain, no gain, right?

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« Reply #223 on: August 06, 2022, 11:47:34 AM »
So: it is clear that you cannot think of a way to reconcile these things Insp. Sawyer said over the radio with your claim that the witness giving the suspect description he put out was Mr Brennan. In fact, you are quite at a loss.

That's okay, Mr Collins. We're understanding people. And we take heart from the fact that you have been disabused of the dreadful misapprehension you have been laboring under that these things Insp. Sawyer said over the radio related to Mr Charles Givens. This means that you can now decontaminate your brain of the WC propaganda you were fed about this issue and actually approach it for the very first time with some logical thinking.

If you go bravely forth into this exciting new world of evidence-based research, you have every hope of coming to the realization that your claim that the witness behind the suspect description was Mr Brennan is perfectly absurd. This will be a painful realization for you, but it promises to be a crucial first step out of the judgment-addling fog of Warren Gullibility into which you so sadly wandered a long time ago. No pain, no gain, right?

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So: it is clear that you cannot think of a way to reconcile these things Insp. Sawyer said over the radio with your claim that the witness giving the suspect description he put out was Mr Brennan.


Let me get this straight.

You are trying to ask me to provide evidence that Brennan was the person who gave the description to Sawyer? If so, I must have missed the question.

And your argument is that it was someone else other than Brennan?

And your evidence is that Sawyer said: “From this building it is unknown if he is still there or not. Unknown if
he was there in the first place.“?    ???

Do I have this straight?

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