A Rock Solid Alibi.....

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #160 on: August 04, 2022, 11:56:52 PM »
You want me to figure out your theory?  Wow.  You must have a lot of confidence in it if you won't even tell us what you are suggesting.  There is absolutely nothing that precludes Oswald from being the shooter and being in the lunchroom within the relevant timeframe to encounter Baker.  How long do you think it takes to walk down a few floors of stairs?  You are really suggesting that the assassin hung around on the 6th floor and waited for law enforcement to arrive to somehow blend in!  That is one of the most baseless and bizarre claims in history.  Not a single person ever claimed to have encountered this individual.  Honestly, I would be embarrassed to peddle this weak nonsense.

There is absolutely nothing that precludes Oswald from being the shooter and being in the lunchroom within the relevant timeframe to encounter Baker.

This exactly what I was talking about. It has been explained to you over and over again and still you ignore the information and come up with the same bogus claim

How long do you think it takes to walk down a few floors of stairs?

You forgot the part where Oswald had to run in a straight line to the back of the building and then run the same distance from east to west to get to the stairs. Or are you under the impression that Oswald was standing next to the stairs entrance when the shots were fired?

You are really suggesting that the assassin hung around on the 6th floor and waited for law enforcement to arrive to somehow blend in!

I know by now that it's a difficult concept for you to grasp, but I am suggesting nothing. I'm merely considering possible options. Are you of the opinion that something like that could not have happened? Are you really so naive? Hiding in the open is very often the best option.

That is one of the most baseless and bizarre claims in history.  Not a single person ever claimed to have encountered this individual.

Here you go again.... Nobody claimed to have encountered Oswald on the 6th floor either. So what? The whole purpose of hiding in a crowd is not to get noticed.

Honestly, I would be embarrassed to peddle this weak nonsense.

As peddling weak nonsense goes, you should be embarrassed every day of the week, but being a Trump follower you probably won't as peddling nonsense is par for the course for that cult.

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #160 on: August 04, 2022, 11:56:52 PM »

Offline Rick Plant

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« Reply #161 on: August 05, 2022, 12:18:38 AM »
You mean the same Frazier who was arrested later that day for possible complicity and who Fritz demanded he'd sign a pre-written confession, despite the fact that he was standing on the steps and appears in films and photos?

Until this day nobody has ever positively identified the person they now call PM. He was clearly there, so why did nobody confirm who it was? Could it be they were all focused on other things and simply didn't observe him? Many people simply do not notice things or people that are close to them and many also simply do not recollect information.

The employees were focused on watching the parade and had their backs at the Prayer Man. So, they clearly weren't paying attention to who was behind them on that day. Which is why the Prayer Man has never been identified. 

When people are out watching something they aren't looking around observing to see who is behind them.   

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« Reply #161 on: August 05, 2022, 12:18:38 AM »

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« Reply #162 on: August 05, 2022, 12:23:10 AM »
It's hearsay. Garner apparently overheard Belin taking about the two men "coming up" and could have innocently incorporated that into when she actually saw them, when they returned from the roof. For that matter, Shroud could have added that sweetener.

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Neither Garner nor Shroud might have known about the return of Baker and Truly to the fourth floor, which one or both could have assumed was the only time they were on the floor.

The Shrould Letter just isn't that definitive; it has no times or specific places or a witness who saw Garner. Rather than go with your imaginative take on pure hearsay, go with the witnesses who were sworn in and who participated in the time trials. Adams would have her broke her neck trying to duplicate her fanciful madcap dash in three-inch heels. She would have reached the parking before the policeman who turned her back.

~Grin~

Translation: Thank God they never called Garner, otherwise I wouldn't be able to do this pseudo-logical-exploration thing I always do with uncongenial evidence
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« Reply #162 on: August 05, 2022, 12:23:10 AM »

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #163 on: August 05, 2022, 12:26:25 AM »
How about this?  Explain to us how you think your fantasy shooter on the 6th floor got out of the building unnoticed

The shooter did not get out of the building unnoticed:





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« Reply #163 on: August 05, 2022, 12:26:25 AM »

Online Jerry Organ

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« Reply #164 on: August 05, 2022, 12:50:44 AM »
Lol

~Grin~

Translation: Thank God they never called Garner, otherwise I wouldn't be able to do this pseudo-logical-exploration thing I always do with uncongenial evidence

That's it right there. Others who were sworn in, including Adams who signed her testimony transcript, recount the timeline determined by Belin.

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« Reply #164 on: August 05, 2022, 12:50:44 AM »

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #165 on: August 05, 2022, 12:52:56 AM »
It's hearsay. Garner apparently overheard Belin taking about the two men "coming up" and could have innocently incorporated that into when she actually saw them, when they returned from the roof. For that matter, Shroud could have added that sweetener. Neither Garner nor Shroud might have known about the return of Baker and Truly to the fourth floor, which one or both could have assumed was the only time they were on the floor.

The Shrould Letter just isn't that definitive; it has no times or specific places or a witness who saw Garner. Rather than go with your imaginative take on pure hearsay, go with the witnesses who were sworn in and who participated in the time trials. Adams would have her broke her neck trying to duplicate her fanciful madcap dash in three-inch heels. She would have reached the parking before the policeman who turned her back.


Garner apparently overheard Belin taking about the two men "coming up" and could have innocently incorporated that into when she actually saw them, when they returned from the roof.

Nice theory, except for the fact that Garner never met Belin. Barry Ernest asked her and she said no.

Neither Garner nor Shroud might have known about the return of Baker and Truly to the fourth floor, which one or both could have assumed was the only time they were on the floor.

Stop talking out of the back of head! And who is Shroud?

The Shrould Letter

Huh?

The Stroud letter (you really need to pay more attention!) doesn't provide details simply because it was not it's purpose to do so. Martha Stroud simply informed Rankin about what Garner had said. It was up to Rankin to find out the details. He never did. Instead he just dumped the letter in Adams' file and ignored it.

go with the witnesses who were sworn in and who participated in the time trials

You mean the ones selected to tell the story the WC wanted to hear?

Adams would have her broke her neck trying to duplicate her fanciful madcap dash in three-inch heels.

Are you really this desperate? Hilarious....  :D

She would have reached the parking before the policeman who turned her back.

What is this word salad? How can a policeman turn her back if she got to the parking before he got there? You are not making sense.

The actual facts are that Adams and Styles left the building at the back, walked towards the railway yard, where a policeman told them to go back into the building. They continued walking towards Elm street, turned left and walked towards the front entrance of the TSBD, where Styles was photographed at a time she could only have been there if she and Adams left the 4th floor directly after the last shot.

But why am I telling you this. If you believe a policeman turned Adams and Styles back at a parking, you are clearly clueless about the actual evidence.
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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #166 on: August 05, 2022, 12:56:10 AM »
That's it right there. Others who were sworn in, including Adams who signed her testimony transcript, recount the timeline determined by Belin.

Except for the fact that in their report the WC gave itself the right to edit testimony, Adams denied to Barry Ernest that she ever said anything about Lovelady and Shelley, both men denied seeing her, Belin was full of .... , and the version he came up is physically impossible and has already been debunked.

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« Reply #166 on: August 05, 2022, 12:56:10 AM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #167 on: August 05, 2022, 01:02:09 AM »
The employees were focused on watching the parade and had their backs at the Prayer Man. So, they clearly weren't paying attention to who was behind them on that day. Which is why the Prayer Man has never been identified. 

When people are out watching something they aren't looking around observing to see who is behind them.

Or as Satchel Paige said: 'Never look back. Somethin' might be gainin'

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« Reply #167 on: August 05, 2022, 01:02:09 AM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #168 on: August 05, 2022, 01:31:53 AM »
How about this?  Explain to us how you think your fantasy shooter on the 6th floor got out of the building unnoticed and how long it took him instead of deflecting with insults. 

Yet another case of “my unsubstantiated speculation automatically wins unless you come up with a different theory and substantiate it”.

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« Reply #168 on: August 05, 2022, 01:31:53 AM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #169 on: August 05, 2022, 01:36:19 AM »
It's hearsay. Garner apparently overheard Belin taking about the two men "coming up" and could have innocently incorporated that into when she actually saw them, when they returned from the roof.

“Could have”. LOL.

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The Shrould Letter just isn't that definitive; it has no times or specific places or a witness who saw Garner.

Compare that to the Oswald story, which has ZERO to substantiate it.

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Adams would have her broke her neck trying to duplicate her fanciful madcap dash in three-inch heels.

It’s a constant source of amazement how omniscient Nutters think they are.

 

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