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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #130 on: August 04, 2022, 01:50:03 PM »
It reminds me of the experiment that elementary shcool teachers like to demonstrate. They tell a story to one student, then the story is passed around the room from one student to another, and by the time it gets to the last student it has changed quite a bit.

Ah, so your way of coping with the disastrous information contained in this document is to compare the trained law enforcement officers named therein to elementary school students. Got it!  Thumb1:

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« Reply #131 on: August 04, 2022, 01:50:20 PM »
She didn't see Mr Oswald out on the steps as everyone was awaiting the arrival of the motorcade. Your point?


She knew him by sight and states that he wasn’t there….

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« Reply #132 on: August 04, 2022, 01:52:08 PM »
Ah, so your way of coping with the disastrous information contained in this document is to compare the trained law enforcement officers named therein to elementary school students. Got it!  Thumb1:


Not at all. The lesson applies to people of all ages and all walks of life.

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« Reply #132 on: August 04, 2022, 01:52:08 PM »

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #133 on: August 04, 2022, 01:52:43 PM »

She knew him by sight and states that he wasn’t there….

And I'm not claiming he was there before the motorcade. He slipped out at the last minute.

Any more strawmen, Mr Collins?

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« Reply #133 on: August 04, 2022, 01:52:43 PM »

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #134 on: August 04, 2022, 01:55:44 PM »

Not at all. The lesson applies to people of all ages and all walks of life.

So a suspect description was put out over police radio by a trained law enforcement officer on the strength of his having just hallucinated a conversation with a man who had just hallucinated a man with a rifle running from the building.

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« Reply #135 on: August 04, 2022, 01:59:51 PM »
So a suspect description was put out over police radio by a trained law enforcement officer on the strength of his having just hallucinated a conversation with a man who had just hallucinated a man with a rifle running from the building.

 :D


Where do you come up with this nonsense? I said nothing that even remotely resembles that. Are you going to answer the question about how you believe that Geneva Hine put a dampener on Reid’s account? Or do we just end this conversation on this note?

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« Reply #135 on: August 04, 2022, 01:59:51 PM »

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« Reply #136 on: August 04, 2022, 02:14:35 PM »

Where do you come up with this nonsense? I said nothing that even remotely resembles that. Are you going to answer the question about how you believe that Geneva Hine put a dampener on Reid’s account? Or do we just end this conversation on this note?

Just a minute, Mr Collins. Your attempt to explain away the conspiracy-proving information in the document I posted amounted to: it was just a case of Chinese whispers.

The reason this idea won't wash----------beyond its obvious silliness-----------is that the document makes clear that this ONE conversation (between Insp. Sawyer and the witness) had the following immediate result: "this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars".

So I can only restate the logic that you are relying on:

A suspect description was put out over police radio by a trained law enforcement officer on the strength of his having just hallucinated a conversation with a man who had just hallucinated a man with a rifle running from the building.

And I am happy to follow this up by noting what will already be obvious to everyone reading: your conclusion is no more than a hilariously desperate Warren Gullible cope, of the sort we have learned to recognize so well in these here parts.

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However! If it would make you feel better, I would be happy to drop one of the hallucinations. This would leave us with the following:

EITHER
A suspect description was put out over police radio by a trained law enforcement officer on the strength of his having just had hallucinated a conversation with a man who had just hallucinated a man with a rifle running from the building.
OR
A suspect description was put out over police radio by a trained law enforcement officer on the strength of his having just hallucinated a conversation with a man who had just seen hallucinated a man with a rifle running from the building.

Which of the two options do you feel more comfortable aligning yourself with?

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« Reply #136 on: August 04, 2022, 02:14:35 PM »

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« Reply #137 on: August 04, 2022, 02:53:32 PM »
Just a minute, Mr Collins. Your attempt to explain away the conspiracy-proving information in the document I posted amounted to: it was just a case of Chinese whispers.

The reason this idea won't wash----------beyond its obvious silliness-----------is that the document makes clear that this ONE conversation (between Insp. Sawyer and the witness) had the following immediate result: "this description was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars".

So I can only restate the logic that you are relying on:

A suspect description was put out over police radio by a trained law enforcement officer on the strength of his having just hallucinated a conversation with a man who had just hallucinated a man with a rifle running from the building.

And I am happy to follow this up by noting what will already be obvious to everyone reading: your conclusion is no more than a hilariously desperate Warren Gullible cope, of the sort we have learned to recognize so well in these here parts.

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However! If it would make you feel better, I would be happy to drop one of the hallucinations. This would leave us with the following:

EITHER
A suspect description was put out over police radio by a trained law enforcement officer on the strength of his having just had hallucinated a conversation with a man who had just hallucinated a man with a rifle running from the building.
OR
A suspect description was put out over police radio by a trained law enforcement officer on the strength of his having just hallucinated a conversation with a man who had just seen hallucinated a man with a rifle running from the building.

Which of the two options do you feel more comfortable aligning yourself with?

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You jump to the most ridiculous conclusions. What appears to have eluded you (even though I gave an elementary school analogy) is that this is sixth-hand information by the time Gordon Shanklin gets it. Seventh-hand information by the time it gets to J. Edgar Hoover. Hence the comparison to the elementary school lesson. You do not include the date and time of the memo. You do not include any information at all that would tend to corroborate what the sixth-hand account says. As far as I know, none of the seven individuals involved in transmitting this account ever confirmed it. And best of all it was supposedly started by an “unidentified individual”. You claim that this is “conspiracy-proving”. It isn’t, its just another bit of early-on misinformation that ended up on a memo to JEH.

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« Reply #137 on: August 04, 2022, 02:53:32 PM »

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« Reply #138 on: August 04, 2022, 03:04:39 PM »
~Grin~

Seeing as you started a thread on Ms Hine, you obviously saw her as a problem to be neutralized. So you don't need me to walk you through the issue.

But what the heck, I'll play..............

Ms Hine was frantic to find out what had happened. Ms Reid came in. And yet Ms Hine has no memory of finding out about the shooting from Ms Reid.

Did Ms Reid hide under a desk just before Ms Hine re-entered the office area?


Sorry, I must have missed this post until now. That’s it?   ???

You obviously haven’t read the thread that I started a while back regarding Geneva Hine. It was started for a completely different reason. You can read it if you are interested.

So, specifically how do you think that this idea you have regarding Geneva Hine’s account put a damper on Mrs. Reid’s account? What are you trying to say? 


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« Reply #138 on: August 04, 2022, 03:04:39 PM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #139 on: August 04, 2022, 03:27:19 PM »
It's without question true that the absense of evidence isn't evidence of absense, but the fact that something is theoretically possible doesn't automatically mean that it is practically possible also. Nobody has ever seen a pig fly, but that doesn't mean that they can fly!

The problem for the theory is that Oswald had to be in the 2nd floor lunchroom some 75 seconds after the last shot and the only way to get there would be the stairs. The same stairs where Dorothy Garner stood in close proximity of.

Any other shooter could have just mingled with the crowd and simply walked out later.

What "crowd" was there between the 6th floor and exit that your "other" shooter could have mingled with to escape the building?  Unreal.  Oswald was LESS likely to be noticed than a stranger since he worked in the building and had a legitimate reason to be there.  The simple point here is that we know with absolute certainty that someone on the 6th floor could get off that floor without anyone noticing them because that is what actually happened.  Whether that was Oswald or someone else.  Witnesses placed a shooter on the 6th floor.  That person got off the floor without being seen by anyone.  So all the CTer pedantic mumbo jumbo about Oswald not being able to get down the stairs without being seen is not relevant.  It happened - whether you want to believe it was Oswald or someone else who escaped that floor.  Therefore we know it was not only possible but actually occurred since the shooter got off that floor without being seen.  You are implying that the fantasy conspirator shooter could do something that Oswald for some inexplicable reason could not.  That is absurd.  Nothing precludes Oswald from being the shooter and getting to the lunchroom unnoticed.

 

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